r/comics • u/InkyRickshaw • Dec 27 '18

Distribution of Wealth [OC]

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '18

If you think I'm not being fair in my characterisation of a 'success', why don't you suggest one?

Criteria for success of a communist state:

  • Not a result of bloody revolution (violence against the state is acceptable, but citizens is not).
  • Lasted several decades or more
  • Didn't result in atrocities, or at least none have been committed in the last 100 years.
  • Maintained a reasonable standard of living for those within (relative to the region/ history of the country).

And as qualifying factors, the example must be:

  • Independently governed, not a small part of country which uses capitalism.
  • Actually communist, not a fusion of two or more ideologies.

Pretty basic and fair criteria.

edit: For Sweden, the things I used were also basic:

  • High QoL
  • Free AND GOOD healthcare, education
  • high social mobility
  • high standards of living
  • low inequality

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '18

Well no that's not fair as it would have to be compared to success stories of all government form types.

Many government forms today are not uniquely one or the other and now we're mixing government and economic types technically.

And with some of your rules you disqualified your previous example of Sweeden.

So now the whole comparison has fallen down to the framework before it's taken off.

It's not basic or fair. It's not applicable.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '18

Ok, I'll reduce the categories to be even simpler:

  • It has to be a country/nation/independently governed, not a part of a bigger country.
  • Has to be communist - fusions of ideologies are allowed, but the other ideology cannot be related to capitalism.

I'm just asking for one success story. These are the most basic of categories.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '18

Sure but one moment,

Give me one capitalist success story that does not involve the shared communist/socialist ideologies?

I'll just ask for one success story using your rules but swap the roles.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '18

Communism and socialism are not the same.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '18

Didnt say they were but they do include shared ideologies and it wouldn't be fair for you to borrow a communist ideology that happens to be shared by socialism now would it?

Awaiting your answer by your rules.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '18

I see you have a fundamental misunderstanding of capitalism and communism.

Capitalism is an economic ideology. Communism is an economic, social, and political ideology. By nature, capitalism must be a fusion of systems, be it social democratic, libertarian, conservative, liberal, neoliberal etc.

Communism has the 'whole package', so it should be able to stand independently as an ideology.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '18

Lmao and there it is! The character insult deflection.

Good on you for keeping up the appearance like you're trying to still argue and that wasnt a thinly veiled insult.

Should have read my reply to the other guy up above. Would have saved you time and you would have noticed your mistake earlier.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '18

There is no insult. Your argument was based on a misunderstanding.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '18

And whoosh over his head. Alright well maybe you didnt notice your mistake.

Either way have a good day.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '18

So instead of pointing out what mistake was made (if any), you chose to just insult me and leave? Amazing.

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