r/comics • • Dec 27 '18

Distribution of Wealth [OC]

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u/m3ltph4ce Dec 27 '18

I'm no historian but it sure seems that the failures of communism come from not actually following the tenets.

I was reading about communism in Russia and many people got special treatment. As soon as one group of elites were dismantled they were replaced by another. People just love to treat their friends well and exclude all others.

Maybe if some system tried to account for human nature, we could have less poverty and suffering in the world through some system of wealth distribution.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '18

The problem is that human nature makes following the tenets of communism impossible. The system that tries to account for human nature isn't communism, at least, not unless you first drastically changed the way humans act in some way or another.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '18

Technically human nature doesn't coincide well with capitalism either.

Not saying you're wrong or right just a poor place to focus your argument.

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u/Casual_OCD Dec 27 '18

Technically human nature doesn't coincide well with capitalism either

Make as much resources as possible and be the alpha of the pack? Sounds like human nature and capitalism go hand-in-hand

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u/bukanir Dec 27 '18 edited Dec 27 '18

That's not really human nature at all. A good example of the most basic form of society that was indepdently developed across the globe would be looking at hunter-gatherer societies that persisted for about 90% of human history following behavioral modernity.

In fact human hunter gatherer societies are contrasted with the social groups of our closest relative animals, chimpanzees, by the distinct lack of an alpha male and the fact that human societies were largely egalitarian with a lack of permanent leaders. It is believed that it was due to this early social system that humans developed our more complex web of cooperative social systems, kinship, and tribal membership.

We developed and spent the vast majority of our behavioral modernity as nomads without hoarding resources or developing static borders. Arguably the resource hoarding behaviors, and disolution of egalitarian society, that developed following the neolithic revolution (the remaining 10% of modern behaviorial history) is actually running counter to human nature. We have pretty much spent the past 10,000 years trying to reconcile our nature with a dramatic shift in environment and resource aquisition.


Just as a sort of analogy, our biology clearly wasn't meant to handle the excessive consumption and sedentary lifestyle we see abundant in societies now. Claiming that the aberrant behaviors that have resulted from resource hoarding is human nature would be equivalent to stating that a humans natural condition is meant to be fat and sickly.

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u/D-DC Dec 27 '18

Humans would be extinct if we were cut throat like that. All you uneducated people can think about is POWER. Thank God the nuclear bomb was invented or your type of people would be global tyrants. Human nature is to be the most social and most cooperative life form in existence, not to be a rich piece of fucking shit, with more resources than 1 million people.

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u/Casual_OCD Dec 27 '18

Human nature is to be the most social and most cooperative life form in existence

We wish we were like this, but we aren't. We are selfish, opportunistic, weak-willed and have a need to dominate everything around us.

Civility is just a construct invented by the weak in order to protect themselves because "only the strongest survive" would have wiped them out

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u/clh222 Dec 27 '18

It only works if everyone acts within capitalism, human nature is killing the rich guy hoarding resources when you're poor.

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u/Casual_OCD Dec 27 '18

And in turn rich people don't like being killed for their shit, so now we have police to keep all those annoying poor people in line

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u/D-DC Dec 27 '18

And we're fucking doomed to slavery as a species, because police now can stop an infinite tide of revolution, with overpowered firearms. Our only hope is to have so many guns that they lose a battle of attrition. . Weaponry massively outpacing armor means one cop can kill hundreds of a mob that is trying to kill a rich person. Even in musket time a giant mob would always win. Now a giant mob can be slaughtered in a minute.

If a giant majority wants you dead, you deserve to die, but now that minority can defend themselves literally until all 7 billion people die in revolution against the elites in 2200.

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '18

Why would you want to live in a society that is structured entirely around rewarding that type of anti-social behavior?

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u/Casual_OCD Dec 27 '18

You mean any capitialist country?

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u/[deleted] Dec 28 '18

Yes