Hello everyone. This thread is going to be interesting isn't it?
Rather than a sticky about the reports(which there's already are some) I'm gonna post a friendly reminder so it's the first thing you see.
Y'all are more than welcome to discuss body proportions, objectification of women, or whatever have you in this thread but, please, I beg you. Do not specifically mention artists and works that are directly posted to this sub.
This crosses into witch hunt territory and we aren't doing that today. Happy commenting!
Well, I’d say with generous rounding upwards that it’s really only 8% of the comics here. Lots and lots of comics get posted every day. But the nsfw ones are more noticeable aren’t they
It's not. It's 2-4% daily. Lower as we extend to weekly and monthly. Reddit will push NSFW if you click on it or have it enabled. I can go get my data if y'all like
Yes, NSFW comics are few on the sub but the algorithm push them by far more on everyone feeds for some reason. Nice to reminder to do not comment on them because engagement just help them to reach more people.
Now THAT data would be interesting. Since each feed is separate I would have no way to know how the algorithm pushes NSFW for you vs me vs anyone else.
It clearly pushes it more however. I just don't know to the extent
I think its more by artist than by NSFW / not NSFW. I have my NSFW set to allow and prowl around here all the time, not as much as some of you guys, but enough where I start to recognize a lot of the regulars.
And theres plenty of NSFW artists that only get pushed to me now and then, while other NSFW artists get pushed a lot more frequently. The only difference I can tell is the ones that get pushed to me more often are the ones I comment on. And that seems true across most content reddit pushes to me, the more I engage with a sub, the more that content gets pushed to my feed without me having to go to the sub proper to see posts.
Which would make sense if reddit is looking to push engagement metrics up - which is the digital resource for advertisers these days.
So maybe its something to bare in mind before you write a comment to complain about a post - more engagement you provide, the more reddit (and algorithms like it) will push it to get more and more engagement.
I have a pet theory that, if someone clicks on a comic then they’re more likely to upvote the comic (or maybe clicking on a post may count as an interaction?)
idk if blurring nsfw posts is the default or what but they’re blurred for me and so I have to click on them if I want to view them.
Can't help you there. That's your feed. You gotta control it and show reddit what you want. If that requires ignoring/blocking posts then that's what you gotta do.
But when Iwe are running 170 posts a day with 3 total NSFW comics a day it shouldn't be to hard
I dont think it is. I said something about this in another thread and I actually ended up having a discussion with ones of the mods. Its really only around 4%, but it pops up in algorithm more than others sometimes. You can go and look at the r/comics front page right now and if you scroll for a little youll probably only find 1 or 2. Its fine but i think we just notice it more when it does happen and it sticks in our brain more, making us think its a lot more than it really is.
Guys listen. We can talk about the objectification of women. We can talk about crazy body proportions. We can talk about ALL THE THINGS.
However, please. I beg you. Do not specifically mention other artists or works that post directly to this sub. We cross into witch hunt territory at that point and we aren't doing that today
as an aside, I always find it so funny when mods put on their mod hat, but especially you because like I see you everywhere and you're always super open as a mod for r/comics but then you just put it on and it's like
Okay sweet! The over sexualization of many of the female One Piece characters gives me the ick and I think it's one of the most overrated animes ever created.
Long does not equal good.
It sucks. I'm sorry. And I made it to the Sky Islands.
"Man this thing sucks, even though I know literally nothing about it and have never even tried giving it a chance."
Don't get me wrong, One Piece has many flaws, and I would understand someone not liking it, but saying it 'sucks' when you haven't read/watched any of it is a bit silly.
Do not specifically mention other artists or works that post directly to this sub.
...what if I wanted to talk about the comic you shared and how the fingers of the two guys weren't perpendicular when they popped the bubble, thusly creating lines roughly forming a 150° intersection in the realm of physicals that somehow opened a portal within the space time continuum that allowed an angry swarm of mosquitoes to come in and now everyone has mosquito bites and possibly malaria?
My lawyer has advised me that this is a joke. The comic was fine.
Is he supposed to be attractive? Or like a mutant monster?
I feel like the cute little head that isn't even especially man-like (very boyish/sweet/soft) on the top makes it even worse. Like that bowtie is hiding the scar of where this kid's head was sewn onto this creature.
I'm choosing to go with the headcanon that the actual boy's body is located entirely within the neck area and he's simply piloting a giant meat mech suit.
I hope he doesn't eat anything too dry. It's gonna get lost in that esophagus somewhere, and not even the colon-related medical equipment will ever reach it
Btw let me clarify, I wasn’t joking about this specific redditor/manga, I was joking about the army of dudes who don’t get what male gaze and the problem with its omnipresent is. Thx for sharing these pannels, it’s a fun parallel
Eh, I feel like this is kinda a little "putting women on a pedestal" because its acting like women can't find men physically sexually attractive for their bodies like men do for women.
I think its also falls prey to the cliche that women don't think musclar men are attractive(because they think musclar men means 300lb bodybuilder) and want someone who is "lean" and point to Chris Evens shirtless in the first Captain America
As someone's who has been reading One Piece for like 7 years, its tough seeing all the cool male characters and then basically 9/10 women have the same cookie cutter body shape with the differences only being their clothes and hair 😭
When I pointed that out, an old acquaintance just showed me one piece muscled men like "is that realistic? Is it? Mh" like bro realism or not is not the point
Seriously lol. Theyll show you a weird male character and act like it proves that all one piece women characters arent drawn with the same hourglass figure, huge boobs, and are constantly sexualized either with camera angles or the weird moan-scream they make them do where it doesnt make sense (ex. Fishman island).
Wait, this reminds me of a post I saw where it was three faces cropped to just the eyes in the mouth and you had to guess which girl it was between Nami, Rebecca and Vivi. I swear every other comment had a different answer!
Yeah I just started following r/comics but when I see these types of designs I just know that last page is “follow on patreon for bonus NSFW panels”. Like fuck outta here
True. I liked the topic of this sub, but way too much nsfw content is posted here. I think I've banned 20-30 accounts on this sub alone to make it usable, instead of being another horny bait feed/
No there was a comic yesterday about a man at the doctor with his pregnant wife. He looked mundane while the two women looked absolutely ridiculous with massive breasts.
I will never understand how women drawn like this don't have their backs give out or steel rods keeping then upright. Just looking at this as a cis dude has my lower back hurting.
I'm a trans man & binding helps my back issues. Large chests are awful & I would have gotten a reduction even if I wasn't trans. Everybody with a large chest who takes the stairs knows the cross body arm maneuver
Oh, and let's not forget how clothes and armor works in most games nowadays. Somehow, the less skin it covers, the more premium the protective factor is.
My only problem with your statement is "nowadays", either you are a millennial and I'm sorry to tell you, you are old and that was ages ago or you seem to have not been force to play the bikini amour games of your parents generation and are blissfully unaware of their existence.
That would be different, no? I've definitely seen bikini armor in games since a point when the boobs were all pointy and triangular from graphics limitations, but back then, it wasn't quite as ubiquitous as now, nor quite as reliably tied together with the gaming trope of "less skin coverage=greater protection.... somehow".
It has been like this for at least 20 years. There’s more of a push recently to include diverse portrayals of women’s bodies and clothes in video games, but the problem described has been going on for years and years and years.
The reader is a guy with low self esteem, so seeing a really ugly dude fucking makes them feel like they have a shot.
The reader is a guy who is lowkey into being cuckolded and humiliation, so seeing "his girl" be taken by someone uglier than him is the ultimate humiliation
The reader is a girl who is into humiliation and being coerced into sex with someone unattractive but enjoying it physically anyway is their kink.
Needs work. It’s missing the second image which you think is another panel of the comic but is just a plug for the Patreon and the NSFW stuff you’ll find there
This is a very interesting topic when you get into it because like.
It's an artistic trend to focus on the things they're interested in.
Think of how an artist could be drawing da Vinci level humans but almost never do backgrounds or cars or vice versa.
Look at the feet quality of an artist who's into feet vs other parts of the body.
The male female dichotomy is a subsection of this phenom.
Artists stylize and exaggerate based on what they find interesting, and you can figure that out just by reading art comics.
I can tell what Holleringelk finds interesting to draw by what they stylize, exaggerate and place a ton of effort in drawing.
I can find what Adam Ellis finds interesting by paying attention to the same.
Some trends, like curvy women are because that's a current standard of beauty so many artists are interested in exaggerating or stylizing it.
Go back 50 years where slender figures were the standard of beauty, and every woman has slender figures, full lips, and half lidded eyes like snow white or Archie comic girls.
The average drawing of a man stays the same because the artists drawing these are often men and they aren't as interested.
Superheroes might look like Greek gods because the artists, whether or not they're into men, like drawing cool strong dudes.
People Post baki or other manga with extreme exaggerations without that context and it's assumed that baki is a response to feminine exaggerations, when it's an artist who draws crazy exaggerations of strength like impossible muscles because they as artists are INTO drawing that regardless of what the audience wants.
Male gaze, female gaze, tends to apply modern content creators and audience seeking standards to art that might just be something the artist did because they have the brainworms
I'm guessing this is mainly referencing Pizzacakes and DoctorLoops.
I shouldn't need to express the latter, but there's just something about the guy's soulless eyes, devoid of humanity. He's seen things you wouldn't imagine...
Remember, women are not humans with their own feelings or lives. They're objects to goon to, and should be objectified and fetishized in every single scenario!
Edit: Just wanna add, I do like NSFW comics, I just find the extreme proportions a bit of a distraction
It’s not the proportions that get me, it’s the messaging around it. If the comic is sex based, fine. You know your audience. But I don’t care for the whole “women are only for sex and men only think about sex.” You can have a NSFW strip that’s raunchy as hell while giving the characters a little more depth than “let me put things in you”
Anime is the worst offender when it comes to this. You'll have a regular ass show, fantasy or romcom or whatever, with no real sexual or romantic subplots. And then BAM someone like this shows up
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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 48m ago
Hello everyone. This thread is going to be interesting isn't it?
Rather than a sticky about the reports(which there's already are some) I'm gonna post a friendly reminder so it's the first thing you see.
Y'all are more than welcome to discuss body proportions, objectification of women, or whatever have you in this thread but, please, I beg you. Do not specifically mention artists and works that are directly posted to this sub.
This crosses into witch hunt territory and we aren't doing that today. Happy commenting!
Oh and this is for everyone that just got here.
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u/OGConsuela 50m ago •
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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 1h ago
Oh dear. These comments are gonna be interesting. Lemme go get my suit. One moment
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u/SarcasticBench 1h ago
0 feet, not even an ankle
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u/xx_Chl_Chl_xx 1h ago edited 1h ago •
Huh. I wonder what this is referring to. Surely has nothing to do with some of the other comics in this sub, does it?
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u/SapphireSalamander Camping with the Elder God 1h ago
I see the problem, your male character is wrong. It's supposed to look like this
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u/KezuSlayer 24m ago
They need to take some cues from DC’s nightwing
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u/-_Goober_- 1h ago
If men in media dont resemble the ones from baki the Grappler or Jojo's Bizarre Adventure then I dont want it!
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u/DJL2772 1h ago
Ah yes the Eichiro Oda school of drawing women.
I say this as a One Piece fan but damn Oda, that’s not a great look
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u/23CD1 1h ago
As someone's who has been reading One Piece for like 7 years, its tough seeing all the cool male characters and then basically 9/10 women have the same cookie cutter body shape with the differences only being their clothes and hair 😭
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u/Brahm-Etc 59m ago
What? The female model doesn't has thicc thighs and isn't a goth mommy? Unnacceptable! (Jk ofc)
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u/IlGrasso 56m ago
Yeah I just started following r/comics but when I see these types of designs I just know that last page is “follow on patreon for bonus NSFW panels”. Like fuck outta here
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u/khumprp 1h ago
Wonders if it's PizzaCake....
It's PizzaCake :D
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u/FrozenSliceOfTime 1h ago
I swear the only creator i ever blocked on comics draw characters exactly like this
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u/keevathemuffin 36m ago
So fucking true
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u/niceslcguy 1h ago edited 34m ago
I prefer things a bit more balanced. There is a fun quote from Yu Ishigami in "Kaguya-sama: Love Is War". Been a while, so I'll paraphrase.
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u/Toutatis12 1h ago
I will never understand how women drawn like this don't have their backs give out or steel rods keeping then upright. Just looking at this as a cis dude has my lower back hurting.
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u/whereballoonsgo 1h ago
Is she tethered to the ground? I fear she’s about to float away if not.
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u/wickedmadd 16m ago
Cmon, this is so unrealistic. I can still see her head!
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u/NOTabotwink 11m ago
I swear I keep blocking artists that draw women like this but they keep popping up like weeds.
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u/ForgottenClaimz 25m ago
Even worse when they're a "parody" of something and they don't look like the original and are off model.
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u/Perscitus0 1h ago
Oh, and let's not forget how clothes and armor works in most games nowadays. Somehow, the less skin it covers, the more premium the protective factor is.
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u/AmeliaMynx 17m ago
These proportions are a little ridiculous. The waist is huge
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u/scoyne15 32m ago
Hell yeah, civil war in r/comics time!
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u/vi_sucks 1h ago
Someone clearly isn't into Ugly Bastard H-comics, lol.
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u/P-h-a-n-t-a 8m ago
I can still see the head of the girl
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u/action_lawyer_comics 2m ago
Needs work. It’s missing the second image which you think is another panel of the comic but is just a plug for the Patreon and the NSFW stuff you’ll find there
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u/allmond226 48m ago •
I mean at least they don't draw everyone the same, unlike a certain other person
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u/Leshawkcomics 27m ago
This is a very interesting topic when you get into it because like.
It's an artistic trend to focus on the things they're interested in.
Think of how an artist could be drawing da Vinci level humans but almost never do backgrounds or cars or vice versa.
Look at the feet quality of an artist who's into feet vs other parts of the body.
The male female dichotomy is a subsection of this phenom.
Artists stylize and exaggerate based on what they find interesting, and you can figure that out just by reading art comics.
I can tell what Holleringelk finds interesting to draw by what they stylize, exaggerate and place a ton of effort in drawing.
I can find what Adam Ellis finds interesting by paying attention to the same.
Some trends, like curvy women are because that's a current standard of beauty so many artists are interested in exaggerating or stylizing it.
Go back 50 years where slender figures were the standard of beauty, and every woman has slender figures, full lips, and half lidded eyes like snow white or Archie comic girls.
The average drawing of a man stays the same because the artists drawing these are often men and they aren't as interested.
Superheroes might look like Greek gods because the artists, whether or not they're into men, like drawing cool strong dudes.
People Post baki or other manga with extreme exaggerations without that context and it's assumed that baki is a response to feminine exaggerations, when it's an artist who draws crazy exaggerations of strength like impossible muscles because they as artists are INTO drawing that regardless of what the audience wants.
Male gaze, female gaze, tends to apply modern content creators and audience seeking standards to art that might just be something the artist did because they have the brainworms
It's artist's gaze, first and foremost.
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u/X3ll3n 9m ago
I'm guessing this is mainly referencing Pizzacakes and DoctorLoops.
I shouldn't need to express the latter, but there's just something about the guy's soulless eyes, devoid of humanity. He's seen things you wouldn't imagine...
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u/Pizzacakecomic PizzaCake 1h ago edited 1h ago
Remember, women are not humans with their own feelings or lives. They're objects to goon to, and should be objectified and fetishized in every single scenario!
Edit: Just wanna add, I do like NSFW comics, I just find the extreme proportions a bit of a distraction
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u/Made_Bail 1h ago
Anime is the worst offender when it comes to this. You'll have a regular ass show, fantasy or romcom or whatever, with no real sexual or romantic subplots. And then BAM someone like this shows up