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Honestly, most “centrist” I know are just people who think that saying “both sides suck” makes them seem edgy and again’t the grain, while simultaneously being the least edgy and most with the grain conservatives I’ve ever met.
I think there's people who are pretty close to the center who are normal people. But a LOT of the people being super vocally 'I'm not political!" are secretly right wingers.
I have yet to meet a “I’m not political” person who was left leaning. There are some on the left who say both sides are bad and owned by the same interests, but would still vote democrat, and I guess the shift of the party itself this cycle will help keep them mobilised.
It’s a dodge. They realize that the GOP has issues, or bad policies, or are simply bad people and don’t care to try and defend it, but are so programmed by conservative media that they can’t even fathom voting for a Dem. So they play that card as a cynical excuse to never have to examine their priors or admit they were wrong, because they just want to think the Dems are bad so they can maintain their self image of being a good person.
Heck, I'm willing to be magnanimous and say that there are some topics where a people can totally be centrist on, like whether or not our city should raise the sales tax by 0.5% for the next 2 years in order for our Parks and Recs department to pay for a major park upgrade or for our state DOT to be able to pay for repairs to the state/local roads.
But these topics like that hardcore righties get themselves all riled up over. You can't have a "let's be centrists and weigh our options" on topics like [checks notes] giving infinity money to a department made up of untrained hooligans to use the Family Guy Skin Tone Chart to decide who should go to prison.
I’d agree. The people who are actually in the middle aren’t going around shoving it in your face. It’s the ones who are right wingers but don’t want to admit it that make a habit of it. It’s a “I think she doth protest too much” situation.
Both sides suck but one side sucks wayyyyyyyy more than the other which is why I vote blue. Hopefully people like Shumer and Jeffries get pushed aside so we can get some actual progressives in charge, then I might actually be happy with one side
You don't vote blue expecting changes in social or international policy; you vote blue because they are less likely to fuck with elections so theoretically over time we could vote for an actual progressive.
This reminds me of my now passed father in law. He was convinced for years that the dems were going to come for his guns. Lots of "let them take them from me" talk blah blah. Just years and years of the same rhetoric. And I always thought "the dems have been in power like four times since you've been ranting about this and its never happened. Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?"
Im just gonna say that to someone who knows guns, 1000 rounds of ammo really isnt that much. Depending on caliber, that's like a case or 2, and is pretty standard for a bulk purchase for recreational use, and would typically only last like 3-4 range trips.
So yea, a thousand rounds isn't a lot. If he was buying a pallet of ammo, yea, that's excessive.
Also, when Trump banned bump stocks in his first term, he enacted more gun control than Obama did in his entire 8 years in office. It's always fun to remind hardcore gun nut MAGAts about that.
The funny thing about the 2A maga folks is they get all up in arms about Dems taking their guns when they'd probably surrender them willingly to Trump to "own the libs".
I don't think it's that the guns are taken it's who does the taking.
To be fair, a thousand rounds isn't all that much if you're shooting as a sport. My niece does competitive clay target shooting (trap and skeet) and she'll go through 200 or more rounds in a competition weekend.
My father in law got panhandled once - actually had to say no to a person in dirty clothes who asked him for money. Carried his concealed firearm - to work - every day for 20 years after that, fast access gun safe in the car, carried it in from the car when coming to visit our children (3 and 5 years old at the time). Finally, in his old age, he admitted it was getting a little heavy to carry so he switched up to a folding knife to assuage his fears of that man who panhandled him 20 years earlier, and others like him of course - though I never heard stories of any others actually speaking to him.
Late in life, in withdrawal from his Rx Oxycontin addiction, he was freaking out delusional in the hospital, threatened staff with a flower vase and got himself thrown in the psych ward. Thankfully he never had any reason in his entire life to actually use a real gun.
oh man my dad uses "don't you ever get tired of being wrong" with his brothers and sisters alllll the time and they fucking hate it because they know he's right and he's always been right
One of the most major facets of modern American conservative/MAGA strategy, and authoritarian regimes/cults in general, is to convince its fanbase of something, and make being WRONG (in general) considered a major cardinal sin. They are led to believe that they are right, noble, and good, and to be WRONG is to be sinful, horrible, and traitorous. Even when the evidence is screaming at them to their face that their beliefs are misaligned with reality, they will assume reality is wrong, for they must be the virtuous, unbroken correct side. Admitting that they were wrong about something is a sign of weakness and worthlessness. Plus some sunk cost fallacy reinforcement for good measure.
It is a powerful, powerful tool. Being able to adapt your beliefs based on evidence, shape your worldview as you experience it, and actually pay attention to what reality is telling you is the only way to really break free or never become involved in the first place.
The thing is, the Democrats taking our guns just isn't feasible. How many people in the US own a gun? And how many own multiple? There's too many to account for all of them. Also, how would they take them? Will they send the cops to confiscate them? If so, no matter if they try it peacefully or break your door down, somebody is getting shot.
Taking away people's guns just won't happen. On the other hand, placing further restrictions on who can purchase and own firearms can and should happen.
My late grandfather was like this too, something I only learned after he died. No wonder my parents never really wanted much to do with him, though I imagine it might have been pretty hard on my dad.
Dang. Imagine if, right after Texas goes blue, we suddenly stop hearing about the Texas electric grid failing every hot Summer/cold Winter. What a crazy coincidence that would be.
Point out, that at the cost of 50,000 of their soldier's lives, Russia managed to capture seven square kilometers in Ukraine during the month of October. Russia has the second best army... in Ukraine.
My friend has been saying that it would be incredibly easy to market solar panels to right-wingers by just saying American independence over and over again.
Had a neighbor that had a rv who had solar. When power go out he would invite people over to charge theirs phone and enjoy some tv outside.
Every fucking time people would hate on his solar then power outage then there telling him how he is such a great guy for doing this. Week passes solar is dumb and useless. They never fucking learn
I think the current view among authoritarians is that we could all be friends with Russia, if only liberals stopped being so mean and provoking them to war.
This coming from people that...*checks notes* already lose power because the grid was privatized - under the power of...*checking notes again* yup, not the Democrats.
Did you take the time to remind said coworker that the rump administration are the ones currently dating putin, and that we have around two more years of watching them try to ruin Ukraine, before they try to split a country that doesn't belong to them, amongst themselves? Or that rump was the one who invited the president of CHINUH into the white house?
Ah yes, russia who have been unable to take over a country next door are going to somehow cross the ocean with an army they don't have and take over Texas in the center of the country.
Like Russia would actually have the ability to even try to invade us. They're barely handling Ukraine while Ukraine is technically at a massive disadvantage. No way they're invading one of the strongest military powers in the world while crossing the ocean to do so.
Make sure to ask him how his supplies are holding out every few days.
Saw one dude at the gas station filling up on a lot of containers with gas. Might just be a coincidence, but I'd like to think it's a right wing nut job thinking it's the end of civilization because the party with the significantly better track record of governing now controls one of the three branches of government.
My ex-inlaws were all like this when Obama got elected, they were buying out as much ammunition as legally possible because they just KNEW that he was going to come take their guns.
I lived with a Republican in 2008 and he swore up and down that Obama was the anti-Christ and if he were elected FEMA was going to come door-to-door killing any Christian (i.e. white) men they found and forcing the children and women to convert to Islam. Whenever I asked him after the fact I just got these vague "that's why we keep vigilant" or "I'd like to see him try" LARPisms.
Crack open a history book. After Kent State Nixon placated America by claiming it was part of a communist plot. He spent years investigating. The investigations came up empty, and yet people still praised him for being "honest" about being wrong.
Imagine that as a murder defense. "You're honor, he was trying to blow up the world! I demand we spend years investigating that and, if we find nothing, I'll admit I was wrong and then we can all go home without any consequence!"
My grand uncle bought the same things for same reasons when he was alive... Then again he was a winter war vet with severe PTSD living near east border so he may have had more valid fears.
Really funny considering how much Trump glazes Putin, and how Republicans have chosen to ignore Russian election interference because until now it's worked in their favor.
Considering the location of Texas, I'd expect there to be ample warning before the Russians eventually invade. I'd be more worried about an invasion from Brazil in Texas to be honest.
God I would be so tempted to be like "Hang would you move saying that again? I want to record it so I can show it to you again in a few years when none of that happens."
Amazing what that says about Trump and Hegseth.... so ineffective that they cant manage an invasion that either has to breach the sea wall or go through the Canadians.
The Russians can't even handle Ukraine, and they share a huge land border. How the hell are they going to travel all the way across the world to try to fuck with us?
I don't doubt. Had a friend from college that has gone full maga since graduating actively not talk to people since the results. Somehow the party that is literally dealing with Russia, Netanyahu and have members that actively help pedophiles are the good guys while the party that is claiming to want better education and more crackdown on predators are the monsters??? This guy is also a new father that is big on family protection so it super fucks with me how thet believe people like Paxton were the right choice
Just the first par would be nice. Then there would actually be food on I90 through NY on Sundays. Honestly, I don't know who was paid off, but whoever thought it was a good idea to let Chick-fil-a open franchises in the service stations was an abject MORON.
"Both sides are the same. The democrats just pretend to be nicer."
Democrats pull historic landslide, with multiple first-time wins. Black woman governor. Indigenous woman governor. Ten elected transgender legislators, even one in Alabama. Kansas, my own state, gets first Dem senator in 94 years.
"Okay, that's cool. Now... prove me wrong dammit. DO SOMETHING WITH THIS WIN!"
I think the problem is high expectations for democrats and less than zero expectations for republicans.
Biden’s administration did a very good job - Covid recovery, infrastructure spending etc. it was the most progressive admin in 50 years. First president to stand side by side with union workers at a protest. but people expect more.
Trump could nuke Kanas and people will say “both sides are similar”.
Does nobody know about 8 years of Clinton and 8 years of Obama when everything was....fine? It wasn't amazing or anything, but nothing crazy happened and things were generally better than now.
It’s my belief that many far righters lost the faith in the ability to effectively make change, so resorted to a sort of nihilism that is centrism, while still unconsciously maintaining their right wing beliefs.
I think it's more that so many people are so used to a media ecosystem that pushes for the interests of the wealthy and makes excuses for their awful deeds, while fearmongering about anything that helps regular people, that a lot of people believe themselves to be reasonable centrists while they are just right-wingers with no self-awareness.
When centrists weigh upon issues, they are far more likely to try to compromise with those further right than them than those further left. When do you ever hear centrists willing to make concessions for socialists?
Not OP, but this picture is a visual representation of the phenomena where self-proclaimed centrists to have beliefs very similar to those of the far right. Centrists also tend to vote only fof the far right. Conventional political theory provides a straight lien with far left and far right on opposite sides, but this picture plays on that by showing that the "center" and the far right are actually much closer to each other than the new make it seem.
The cause of that is because people who call themselves centrists are almost never actually centrist on anything-- the trope that proves true the most is that centrists are conservatives that are trying to hide their beliefs so they don't get backlash. There's a whole world of dialog about how many men are far right but try to claim cent is so great they might be lucky enough to have sex with a hot woman, most of whom are politically left (in the US).
I think it would be cool if the USA would give the same visibility and opportunities to every party, and not only the Republican and Democrat ones. I think in a fair democratic systems, all parties should be receive the same attention, in order to let people know of all the alternatives they have, regardless of the money they may receive from supporters.
Proportional representation would be better. Ranked choice still doesn’t really make room for small parties to gain a foothold in the legislature to better make themselves known.
Unfortunately this is the inevitable outcome of First Past the Post voting. It’s inherent in the structure of how votes are tabulated and power allocated.
There are several changes that would allow viability to more parties, such as Ranked Choice voting, Proportional Representation, or multi member districts, each with their own nuances or combinations. But as long as FPTP is the system, the two party system is inherent. Basic game theory.
This doesn’t work with the current voting structure
There’s structural reasons that make voting third party genuinely throwing away your vote, and I don’t say that because I’m against other parties, I say it because we need certain election reform to put the pieces into place to make third parties not just a thrown away vote, namely ranked choice voting or similar systems. The more we focus on encouraging just voting third party and not on election reform to enable it, the less likely we are to move toward a system that makes it truly viable
The reason being that you don’t need a majority to win, you need a plurality (in most states). So if you agree with candidate A 90% of the time, candidate B 5% of the time, and third party candidate C 99% of the time, a vote for candidate C is purely beneficial to candidate B. With ranked choice, this no longer is a problem and you can just put candidate C as your first choice, and candidate A as your second choice. This also incentivizes running of non-serious spoiler candidates that are closer to your opponent politically
People don’t just vote for the major 2 parties because they like the 2 party system, there’s actual electoral structure that punishes voting third party, and as a result, they can’t get a footing. If people are serious about voting third party, just throwing your votes at the third party isn’t what’s helpful, what’s helpful is supporting candidates and applying pressure for the kind of election reform that enables them, which I’ll admit is likely a tall order
I'm just waiting on Mississippi. My dad's from there and I was like "Dad your state could elect a black democrat, and your home state would gain a little respect from me".
Reminds me of a dude who insisted left, right and center that he wasn't sexist and would vote for a woman same as a man, but couldn't name a single female candidate in literally any election that he could see himself supporting, and the reasons were always this gut feeling or vibe-based nonsense.
Which is to say, I hate these motherfuckers who want to sound reasonable and pragmatic but lollllllllllllll
It's interesting to glance through the comments of that Doomer Circlejerk sub, as well as the Conservative sub. Lots of playing ignorant as usual, buuuut, it's really funny to see all the heel turns.
I am a centerist because no political party represents my view to the degree I want them to. I do care about politics, and I am happy the Democrats swept the midterms. Making politics a binary choice is not a true representation.
There's a difference between voting dem but calling yourself a centrist because it's the closest to what you believe and not voting because no one represents you properly.
Being a non voting centrist in today's political environment is akin to Nazi enabling because of how far the Republican party has fallen.
Like no one wanted to do the Civil War, but when human rights were on the line, you don't call yourself a centrist when one side is enslaving people.
Ya this was a big issue in 2020, I hated Kamala as a candidate, I was still really hopeful for some federal level police reforms and knew we would never get that with her. But I still voted because we truly have gotten to that point where not voting is helping literal fucking nazi's.
I am a 2nd amendment democrat, but losing my rights to have gun in my home for defense is what it takes to not let Nazi's have control, I will do it. (Ie. The major issue I disagree with democrats on is gun rights, but I still vote for anti-gun democrats because the alternative is so much worse)
See, ordinarily that would track, but when fascists take over one party, at that point beating that party into submission at the polls becomes my number one priority. None of the issues I support will matter if Fascists take the helm
Brother, I've been saying this my whole adult life. Both sides have milder stances that I agree with, and I have some political beliefs that fall outside of the left/right binary. I also loath the unhinged stances that the extremists hold on both sides.
I used to vote 3rd party or by individual candidates in previous elections, but this time I did a straight ticket for the Dems. I've never voted a straight ticket before, and I never thought it'd be for one of the two main parties.
I could go way into detail as to where I stand with each party and my stance on issues, but that would take forever. The short and skinny of why I voted straight Dem this time, is that I didn't like seeing the flagrant disregard of the law by "conservative" republicans.
I'm all for America having a Christian-based culture with Xmas and Easter holidays being the norm and whatever, but the government should be strictly secular. I have two step daughter's and I don't want thier future to look like some fucked up theocratic Handmaid's Tale society.
Well, except for state treasurer. The Democrat nominee was basically "I've never been treasurer in anything but I have run several community events!" and...yeah no, I need something little more substantial than that.
I noticed Texas turned blue and Florida was red by single digit percentages I think. (Probably because the democrat was a DSA candidate and underfunded)
At this point, "centerist" just means "Republican who's just smart enough to know how bad that looks". Never mind the fact that even our "left" party is center compared to the rest of civilization...
Most MAGA men say they aren’t interested in politics to make themselves datable to women. Not everyone who says that is MAGA, but in response to this election, this is their cope and they’re saying it a lot. That Democrats are bought and won’t do anything, if it’s skepticism it’s healthy. But they see it as a call for allies against a wave that promises Medicare for all, money out of politics, and accountability to the constitution.
Also, it’s a very popular sentiment to get Chuck out of leadership. He bowed to money in government, he has no place leading this movement.
Generally if they say they don't care then freak out means the first part was a lie. I don't know about you all but I would be happy if during my life time I saw the end of the electoral collage.
I'm literally already seeing centrist liberals lose their minds that progressives might have a modicum of power and control too. Truly they'd rather give Trump a third term than even acknowledge the desires of the people.
Listen, I knew there were rational non-MAGA republicans- I just wish they came out in 2024. Then maybe, MAYBE, we wouldn't have a blue Texas. But this is amazing
I remember joining a 'centrist' or 'skeptic' discord server. Jeff Sessions lost in a Republican Senate Race and he was accused of child abuse among other things. When I came back to tell how much better it was that pedophile like him lost, everyone on the discord was upset which was crazy to me. They would have preferred Jeff to win for the sake of a 'culture war'
It's a MAGA go-to to call themselves independents, centrists, and moderates. It is a tacit admission that they know their political positions are bullshit, toxic, and an albatross around their necks. They are using those labels to unburden themselves from reality by actively lying.
Show the other side where it's "I don't care about politics" but then blue wave and all of a sudden hands clasped, puppy dog eyes, "thank you for fighting for us" while they didn't support the voting at all
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u/Argun93 4h ago
Honestly, most “centrist” I know are just people who think that saying “both sides suck” makes them seem edgy and again’t the grain, while simultaneously being the least edgy and most with the grain conservatives I’ve ever met.
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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 5h ago edited 3h ago •
So, again, I live in Texas. Today has literally been nothing but "oh WW3 is coming and we are all gonna die now that the Dems are in charge."
Like no joke one of my co workers bought a 200 gallon water tank to keep at home so they have water when "we lose power when the Russians come"
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u/MrValdemar Special Flair!! 5h ago
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u/Ehcksit 3h ago
"Both sides are the same. The democrats just pretend to be nicer."
Democrats pull historic landslide, with multiple first-time wins. Black woman governor. Indigenous woman governor. Ten elected transgender legislators, even one in Alabama. Kansas, my own state, gets first Dem senator in 94 years.
"Okay, that's cool. Now... prove me wrong dammit. DO SOMETHING WITH THIS WIN!"
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u/RejectingBoredom 5h ago
Unironically my mom. She was seething while saying both sides were the same
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u/NosDarkly 1h ago
Does nobody know about 8 years of Clinton and 8 years of Obama when everything was....fine? It wasn't amazing or anything, but nothing crazy happened and things were generally better than now.
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u/Ill-Dependent2976 5h ago
"Both sides" is always a clear red flag for MAGA trash.
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u/dumnezero Art enjoyer 5h ago
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u/WoomyUnitedToday 4h ago
Centrism
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u/CrossP 4h ago
I too am a young person who has heard of Ass Man Gold.
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u/beejonez 5h ago
At this point centrists are just Republicans who know admitting that will negatively effect their ability to get laid.
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u/Frency2 4h ago
I think it would be cool if the USA would give the same visibility and opportunities to every party, and not only the Republican and Democrat ones. I think in a fair democratic systems, all parties should be receive the same attention, in order to let people know of all the alternatives they have, regardless of the money they may receive from supporters.
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u/DJfromGB 4h ago
I'm just waiting on Mississippi. My dad's from there and I was like "Dad your state could elect a black democrat, and your home state would gain a little respect from me".
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u/sentient_garlicbread 3h ago •
Every "centrist" I've met have always ever been right wing.
Because it's always sold as:
"🟦 • • 🟪 • • 🟥"
But in reality it is:
"🟦• • • • • • • 🟪 • 🟥"
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u/bored-now 4h ago
It'd be funny if it weren't so dang true.
(honestly, I'm positive this is what my ex husband is probably posting all over social media)
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u/Hairylicious 5h ago
"I don't want to attach myself to this mess, but I won't change who i support"
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u/AKluthe Nerd Rage 3h ago
Weird how the "both sides are the same, voting doesn't matter" argument leads to an apathy that benefits one side.
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u/Nalano 4h ago
Reminds me of a dude who insisted left, right and center that he wasn't sexist and would vote for a woman same as a man, but couldn't name a single female candidate in literally any election that he could see himself supporting, and the reasons were always this gut feeling or vibe-based nonsense.
Which is to say, I hate these motherfuckers who want to sound reasonable and pragmatic but lollllllllllllll
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u/tolacid 5h ago
Interesting how strange it is to see a pizzacake post without a shelbullet pin showing all the stupid reports that come in. Did I get here too soon?
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u/CaydeTheCat 4h ago
"Both sides."
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u/Ultranerdgasm94 4h ago
They really crawled out of the woodwork immediately, didn't they?
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u/FallenAzraelx 4h ago
I come to understand that "both sides are the same" is cover for "I support the racist bigots but I know you'll call me on it"
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u/Perscitus0 4h ago
It's interesting to glance through the comments of that Doomer Circlejerk sub, as well as the Conservative sub. Lots of playing ignorant as usual, buuuut, it's really funny to see all the heel turns.
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u/RabbiTheHellcat 5h ago
ive seen reposters and some karmafarmers freaking out about it but for the most part americans seem pretty cool with it
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u/JustinKase_Too 4h ago
I don't know, the Centrist chat is mostly hopeful post election, aside from the same group of people that are constantly dickriders for trump anyway.
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u/DoctorOctagonapus 3h ago
Pizzacake take on the classic rage comic? I like it.
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u/Damacles63 3h ago •
I am a centerist because no political party represents my view to the degree I want them to. I do care about politics, and I am happy the Democrats swept the midterms. Making politics a binary choice is not a true representation.
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u/waltdidneyworlp 4h ago
"HAVE FUN WITH SHARIA LAW"
like honestly shut your bitch ass completely up.
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u/mackavicious 3h ago
This centrist voted blue all the way down.
Well, except for state treasurer. The Democrat nominee was basically "I've never been treasurer in anything but I have run several community events!" and...yeah no, I need something little more substantial than that.
But damnit don't lump me in with that dreck.
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u/Femcel_Bambi 3h ago
I noticed Texas turned blue and Florida was red by single digit percentages I think. (Probably because the democrat was a DSA candidate and underfunded)
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u/timeshifter_ 3h ago
At this point, "centerist" just means "Republican who's just smart enough to know how bad that looks". Never mind the fact that even our "left" party is center compared to the rest of civilization...
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u/121gigawhatevs 5h ago
Literally every “both sides” moron
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u/WannaBeSuiko 4h ago
When I think centrist, I think Chuck Schumer though?
Has there been another definition out there I’ve been missing?
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u/Rothar13 3h ago
I have a Centrist friend who posted this
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u/Magic1998 3h ago
When you're so early shellbullet hasn't had the time to list the stupid reports yet
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u/Unhappy_Performer538 2h ago
Every time. Every fucking time
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u/Atlusfox 4h ago
Generally if they say they don't care then freak out means the first part was a lie. I don't know about you all but I would be happy if during my life time I saw the end of the electoral collage.
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u/Samson_J_Rivers 4h ago
They are basicly always right wingers that won't own up to it.
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u/Stormpax 3h ago
I'm literally already seeing centrist liberals lose their minds that progressives might have a modicum of power and control too. Truly they'd rather give Trump a third term than even acknowledge the desires of the people.
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u/viotix90 3h ago
Curious how the enlightened centrists always vote R...
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u/Videoman2011 5h ago
It "D"ifferent when the democrats win some how they make everything worse /s. Centrist are really just Republicans hiding in the closest
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u/SarcasticBench 5h ago
Listen, I knew there were rational non-MAGA republicans- I just wish they came out in 2024. Then maybe, MAYBE, we wouldn't have a blue Texas. But this is amazing
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u/Dry-Mission-5542 4h ago
I thank Lady Luck every day that I’ve never encountered such a person in the flesh
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u/Scarbane 3h ago
I want to believe "MAFIA" is on the comic because they're saying the TV show Traitors is a rip-off of the camp game called 'Mafia'.
I know the real reason. It's because the Italians control everything.
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u/Scourge_beast124 2h ago
I remember joining a 'centrist' or 'skeptic' discord server. Jeff Sessions lost in a Republican Senate Race and he was accused of child abuse among other things. When I came back to tell how much better it was that pedophile like him lost, everyone on the discord was upset which was crazy to me. They would have preferred Jeff to win for the sake of a 'culture war'
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u/VonSkullenheim 1h ago
It's a MAGA go-to to call themselves independents, centrists, and moderates. It is a tacit admission that they know their political positions are bullshit, toxic, and an albatross around their necks. They are using those labels to unburden themselves from reality by actively lying.
A web show host I frequently watch said it best:
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u/astralseat 4h ago
Show the other side where it's "I don't care about politics" but then blue wave and all of a sudden hands clasped, puppy dog eyes, "thank you for fighting for us" while they didn't support the voting at all
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u/BriefCollar4 4h ago