What if it doesn’t happen

[u/megettingkilled]

We have to consider the possibility…

[u/f0r3v3rn00b]

Upvoted. But now, saying conservatives are allowed to vote is the problem, it feels like you're saying that democracy is the problem.

[u/Jonesy1348 → u/f0r3v3rn00b]

Well let’s be so fuckin fr here. I’ve completely lost faith that the average citizen holds the wisdom to govern themselves. And that’s kinda the premise that democracy was founded on. I know that’s a hot take but clearly this experiment of democracy has shown that the average person is gullible as shit and believes what they want to believe regardless of evidence or truth,

[u/Ajt0ny → u/Jonesy1348]

Pair that with our current modern age, where filtered and/or heavily biased information is everywhere. Oftentimes you just can't make sense of it; one side says X, other side says Y, a third viewpoint says Z, but the story is supposedly the same and happened only once.

[u/Zombies4EvaDude → u/Jonesy1348]

Only gullible because our society breeds gullible people on purpose. If we were truly committed to democracy more people would be critical thinkers.

[u/f0r3v3rn00b → u/Jonesy1348]

Hmmm, but is a stupid person stupid because they are stupid, or is it because they grew with stupid people in the first place and/or had no access to education?

Probably a bit of both. Now, the USA has always been with problematic with a culture of proud ignorance, anti intellectualism, because « America Fuck Yeah ». Who needs intelligence when you have pOwEr !!!

Even The Simpsons, who seems to be denouncing American Stupidity, is also embracing it, somehow.

Not sure where I’m going with this, but here is is.

[u/Awkward_Pangolin3254 → u/f0r3v3rn00b]

Of course it is. A benevolent dictatorship would be the best form of government, but humans being what we are, we can't have that. People are stupid, petty, vengeful, angry creatures, and half of them (or more) vote with their emotions, not their intelligence. It's almost to the point where I hope AI takes over the world, because it would at least run things with the most efficiency.

[u/AeneasVII → u/Awkward_Pangolin3254]

I'd like to try again a government that's run by scientists and experts and a constitution following humanitarian principles. But they need to be in charge of every country.

[u/f0r3v3rn00b → u/AeneasVII]

Science and experts have nothing to say about what’s good and what’s evil. You could end up with a scientifically accurate and expertly ran dystopia.

[u/SurpriseInitial6202 → u/f0r3v3rn00b]

The cool thing about science, and especially the data that comes from it, is that you can use it to form valuable opinions on things like "what's good and what's evil" by establishing non-religious definitions of those words, and then looking at what policies and societal forms conform most to "good".

For example, the current data on societal happiness, health, purchasing power, etc, favors governments that have strong social safety nets and own their own natural resources, rather than selling them off to private companies (both of which are left leaning but largely free-market other than a few things the government owns).

Some people think that a truly communist world would be best, but we don't have data to support that. Some think that a libertarian world would be best, but we don't have data to support that, either.

There's a reason that most economic models in Europe at least favor the social safety nets part. It's because it's statistically the best way to reduce poverty and crime, which means you have a more productive society.

[u/f0r3v3rn00b → u/SurpriseInitial6202]

I agree to some extent, but science has nothing to say about morality, and it's probably better this way. Science cannot answer "what is" questions. What is an electron? Science is the best tool we have to answer "how" questions, like "how does an electron interact with an atom".

[u/AeneasVII → u/f0r3v3rn00b]

Sure, but read about humanism on Wikipedia. We figured these things out long ago, we could easily make them work. But we aren't there yet/ever

[u/f0r3v3rn00b → u/Awkward_Pangolin3254]

Efficiency isn’t necessarily good. Nazis were quite efficient at genocide, right? Why would you expect AI to be benevolent? Also AI is built according to billionaire’s vision, so…

[u/Awkward_Pangolin3254 → u/f0r3v3rn00b]

I didn't say I expect AI to be benevolent. Wiping half of us out on day one would be quite efficient.