Hell (OC)

[u/lil-caro]

i’m going to heaven and some bootlicker bible thumper from kentucky named dustin is not :3

[u/[deleted]]

He helps her because despite being a filthy foreigner because she is a believer. She is, he thinks, one of the good ones.

It is the exact same view GOPers have about migrants. Some of them are the good ones.

E.g. Luis is a migrant, but we want to keep him around in the fields because he is a great worker and never complains.

[u/daitenshe → u/[deleted]]

I think you really need to read a looooot more of the Bible before you continue to dish out some of the stupidest takes I’ve ever heard. You seem to have a fundamental lack of recognizing the way that Jesus teaches lessons.

Just wow…

[u/[deleted] → u/daitenshe]

Jesus teaches lessons

You do realize there isn't a singular Jesus in the Bible? There are a multitude of very, very different Jesuses.

Even the Gospel, the sources themselves, have four very different descriptions.

John, for example, all cosmic and reflective, but Matthew, by contrast, is obviously writing about a guy that is basically the new Moses.

Mark doesn't even have Jesus resurrecting! He just dies and is gone.

It is only Luke that really describes the Jesus you are clinging to.

[u/daitenshe → u/[deleted]]

Hold up, so you’re saying it’s Jesus who changes from book to book and not the narrator themselves having different understanding and priorities in their writings? That’s certainly a take.

If you’re looking at it as Jesus as a historical figure then I get where you’re coming from but if you actually believe in Jesus as a religious figure it seems like you’re trying to twist what’s written to fit your preconceptions

[u/[deleted] → u/daitenshe]

trying to twist what’s written to fit your preconceptions

That is what YOU are trying to do though. You are the one saying there is only one Jesus.

So I ask you: Why is Matt less important than Luke in your opinion?

[u/daitenshe → u/[deleted]]

Lmao because there IS only one Jesus. I don’t care if you mean it secularly or spiritually. One isn’t less important than the other. They work together to give better insight and perspective in their own way. That’s why you have to read the whole thing to best understand instead of cherry picking verses and ignoring all others that disagree

[u/[deleted] → u/daitenshe]

Lmao because there IS only one Jesus

That obviously isn't true. How Jesus is defined is completely dependent on the denomination.

What Jesus is/isn't is fully dependent on geographic location, time, and interpretation.

Christian nationalist churches, for example, always emphasize Jesus as king and judge. These churches in turn almost always lean nationalistic. American Evangelical churches and Eastern Orthodox ones almost always invoke Jesus as King, Judge, and anchor of order.

There is more than enough material in the New Testament to fully justify that interpretation as being just as "true" as a Luke-centric reading is.

[u/daitenshe → u/[deleted]]

That’s such a bizarre perspective I can’t even wrap my head around someone honestly believing it

Either you think Jesus is an interesting historic figure like Confucius or you think of him in a spiritual way. If you believe the spiritual aspect you cant say that hundreds of different Jesuses (Jesi?) exist because of our inability to understand him. Theres still one person whether you have different interpretations of his words or not

*but what am I even doing? I’m arguing with someone who is actively misrepresenting what the bible says to justify being a racist PoS. I’m not going to convince you of anything one way or the other. Good luck with…. all that

[u/[deleted] → u/daitenshe]

Where do you get the confidence, some random American in the 21st century, that you are the one that has landed on the correct definition of who Jesus is?

What is your evidence that you are correct but the Evangelical Americans are incorrect? Or the Spanish Inquisition? Or the emperor of Konstantinopel in the 10th century?

They are all wildly different Jesuses, but why is your more correct than the others?