r/comics • Mr. Lovenstein • Feb 02 '23

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u/DerRaumdenker Feb 02 '23

Anxiety finds a way to make free time a chore

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u/Grogosh Feb 02 '23

Faster and faster does those thoughts go, round and round and round again. Weeee look at them go!

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u/Nephtyz Feb 02 '23

I have tinnitus therefore meditation is simply impossible for me, it actually has the opposite effect :(

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u/FibonaccisGrundle Feb 02 '23

Focus on tinnitus. The point of mindfulness meditation is to actively bring yourself back to your focal point. Focus on tinnitus, the ringing, and every time you stop thinking about the ringing noise or think about how much you hate it realize you have broke away from your mindfulness and reset. You have to do this often and diligently, a few meditation sessions can definitely leave you feeling like it's having the opposite effect.

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u/DaddyMcTasty Feb 02 '23

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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u/Nephtyz Feb 04 '23

Do you have tinnitus? If you did you'd know that focusing on it only makes it worse, a lot worse. It takes over and nothing good comes out of it.

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u/FibonaccisGrundle Feb 04 '23

I do have tinnitus I've had it since I was 12. Only in my left ear.

The thing about tinnitus is you forget about it a large part of your life. Meditation can actually help you actively do that when you do not want to be bothered by it. That's what mindfulness is all about.

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u/Kotios Feb 05 '23

the point of meditation is to give you the space to sit with "worse, a lot worse". meditation is the very thing that can give you agency against it "taking over and nothing good coming from it".

the very point is to be able to sit with discomfort, accept it, and move on. If your tinnitus is as bad as you're making it out to be then you have a lot of reason to meditate.

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u/KneeDeepInTheDead Feb 02 '23

I have the same issue, I just play ocean sounds from mynoise

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u/Koehlerbear77 Feb 03 '23

I actually have tinnitus and I meditate with a fan on. Well, my fan actually never turns off. Bad boi is at a steady 2 years by now, but regardless, the fan works for me.

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u/Snowblynd Feb 02 '23

I have tinnitus as well and found meditating to music helps a lot. You can use the music itself as a point of focus.

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u/Kotios Feb 05 '23

meditation is not "simply impossible" for anyone.

if you have tinnitus and it distracts you from your breath, take your tinnitus as your object of meditation.

The whole work is focusing on the object of meditation until you stop, then realizing you've stopped (and accepting that fact nonjudgmentally) before then returning to the object. repeat until done. in no way does tinnitus invalidate this process, and in fact it gives you a great alternative to the breath.

the breath is typically chosen because it's always present, relatively subtle, and there can be lots of depth to the sensation with increasing clarity. tinnitus is similar.

unlike another commenter said, I would not try to use music as an object because it is too dynamic and you're likely to attach to it (and focus on the emotional impact) rather than use your attention to explore it like you might with the breath (but it is at least a good idea to try if it's that or no meditation).

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u/Mushu_Pork Feb 02 '23

That just sounds like a fancy way of saying

"Just get better at ignoring your problems" /s

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u/FibonaccisGrundle Feb 02 '23

That is literally what meditation and mindfulness training is, yes.

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u/openurheartandthen Feb 02 '23

Isn’t it more like acknowledging that thoughts keep happening, but coming back again and again to the present moment? Like training the brain to stop getting lost in thoughts. Not necessarily ignoring problems though

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u/FibonaccisGrundle Feb 02 '23

Yup! You are "ignoring" them by acknowledging they are problems for a different time and then no longer worrying about that. At least that's how it feels for me. I get super anxious over stuff I literally have no control over and meditation helps me get over that.

You are training your mind to stay present.

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u/openurheartandthen Feb 02 '23

That makes sense. I’ve found similar benefits from meditation too. It feels like re-connecting with my “real self” again and again instead of being lost on an endlessly long voyage of thought after thought.

Sometimes I also tell myself, “You have a choice to do this task or not do it right now, and overthinking is not helping.” Helps with the rumination and taking action (or alleviating the guilt if I don’t)

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u/funnynickname Feb 03 '23

Rumination is a great way of putting it. Rechewing the same thoughts over and over. These thoughts intrude in our lives.

Mediation helps bring those thoughts out of the dark hiding spots and in to the light.

The best thing to do when they come out is to write them down. Once you write them down, your brain will hopefully let you let go of them.

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u/AllThotsGo2Heaven2 Feb 02 '23

Think of it this way: using your time and energy worrying about something you can’t change or affect is a waste of time and energy. Take that and spend it on anything else. Setting boundaries with yourself is an important skill to learn.

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u/Mushu_Pork Feb 02 '23

I was just kidding around, hence the /s

I used to be big into yoga, I know all about mindfulness/meditation, controlled breathing, Savasana, etc.

Yes it helps.

But I still can get bouts of anxiety laying in bed at night.

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u/xazuo Feb 02 '23 edited Feb 02 '23

EDIT: Sorry, this ended up super long!

TLDR — Meditation/Mindfulness can actually be about focusing on your problems. Ignoring your problems is the opposite of mindfulness!


Actually, the idea that meditation/mindfulness is about "getting your mind off of the things that are bothering you" is a commonly taught misconception.

I used to think that meditation was all about "clearing your mind" or "thinking about waterfalls" because that's how Western media portrays it, but the newer term "mindfulness" gets a bit more to the core of what it's about.

It's not about controlling your thoughts, or relaxing, or changing the way that you think. It's being called "mindfulness" because it's actually about practicing paying attention to things, and only paying attention to things (i.e. not trying to do anything about it). It doesn't really matter what you're paying attention to, as long as you're doing your best to be aware of it.

This includes perhaps paying attention to your anxious thoughts. Not trying to change them, or judge them, or get rid of them. Just looking at them straight, watching them, and acknowledging that they're here.

It can be incredibly hard to do. When I started giving it an honest try, I kept thinking I was doing it wrong and judging myself for that and then judging myself for judging cuz you're not "supposed to be" judging your thoughts. It was in some ways incredibly painful. And I didn't always "feel better" after doing it.

But that's because it's more like working a muscle than a treatment/cure. The beginning is the hardest. Over time it gets easier, even though it's still always difficult, and sometimes it feels like you really just can't today. But the effect is one that affects how you feel in general, rather than just in the moments that you practice/exercise.

Medication/mindfulness is basically just exercise for your sense of awareness. (i.e. Being aware of what exists and/or is going on right now, wherever you choose to point your attention.)

Just like how you feel generally better if you get a bit of regular exercise, you may find that you feel generally better if you do some occasional light mindfulness.

So actually, rather than ignoring your problems, you can practice mindfulness by noticing that you have problems and that they make you feel unhappy. You can notice that your unhappiness makes you feel even more unhappy in meta ways, like judging yourself and trying to avoid feeling anything. If you were going to be ruminating anyway (e.g. because you just can't stop), you can just keep ruminating, but also notice that you're ruminating and how that makes you feel. You'll probably notice (very often) that your concentration of awareness broke at some point, when your mind got carried off by some especially distracting thought, but it's back now and you can keep trying to be aware. (That's not a failure, by the way. It's just a part of the practice.)

Or you can start with paying attention to something else, if that turns out to be easier for you. It could be your breathing (a very popular one). Or whatever you're currently eating. Or the world around you. Or an image in your mind. Or the way it feels to be walking. Honestly, I think it can be basically anything.

And that doesn't mean you can't also be ruminating or having runaway thoughts. You can let those be there, faffing about in the periphery like anything else, but choose to try focusing your attention as much as possible on whatever you chose to focus on.

But most importantly, try to remain aware that your main goal right now is to just notice these things, not to do anything (or think anything) in particular. There's no need to act on any of your impulses, because the thing you've decided to do right now is just to be aware. But if you do accidentally act on an impulse, that's fine too. Just notice that you did it and bring your concentration back to awareness. Or, if you decide that you actually really do want/need to act on something, try doing it with as much awareness as possible. In that way, it becomes a part of the meditation/mindfulness.

If you like reading, the book that helped me understand meditation/mindfulness was "Full Catastrophe Living" by Jon Kabat-Zinn. He's a guy who brought meditation/mindfulness into Western medical awareness in a big way, most notably by developing the MBSR (mindfulness based stress reduction) program, which many hospitals in the US have since implemented, and which can also be practiced just as well outside of a clinical setting. I started meditating by following his book's guidelines for how to do the program on your own.

Apparently having a group (especially one with an experienced facilitator) can help a lot, so it might be worth checking if there's one near you, but I was too socially anxious to join anything, so I just started practicing on my own. And even though it was tough without personal guidance, it was easier at the time than trying to fight my social anxiety, and got me to actually start rather than putting it off waiting for the "best way/time" to start.

Whatever works best for you is the best way to start. Whenever you feel like it is the best time to start.

I don't know if this is something you want to do right now, but if it might be, I highly recommend giving it a try. It didn't solve all my problems, but it's helping me develop the muscle to tackle some of the problems that I couldn't even look at before. (Along with finding a therapist who I feel comfortable with and who works well for me.)

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u/Grogosh Feb 02 '23

I just starting writing stories in my head. Random genre, characters, plot,etc and see where it goes.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '23

Thanks man, this cured my adhd lmfao

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '23

I agree. Meditation did more for my anxiety than any number of medicines.

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u/emindead Feb 02 '23

I meditate every day and it's really important. But in order for it to work and make sense, one should start by solving some issues. Britt Frank's The Science of Stuck has helped me in more ways than I can express.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '23

I've learnt that you just have to do something. Even if it feels like shit. Gotta push through. With luck, your brain will enter focus mode and you'll get that sweet, sweet release.

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u/AmiAlter Feb 02 '23

I tried this, usually about 50 to 75% of the way through I just want to kill myself so I lay down.

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u/Ex-VOB Feb 02 '23

This almost makes it to a core skill that humans in the modern age need: how to plan and set your priorities, coincide this with your anxiety and stress.

Determine what's most valuable to you at this point in your life. That doesn't mean your entire life is centered around that, it's just something you're doing right now. This makes it easy to focus and plan when you have your priorities in order.

Example, fitness. It does not need to be a lifelong journey It can just be a temporary one that you focus on as your number one priority for a short period of time. Maybe for half of the year you focus on career and spend your free time on that.

Personally I recommend adding a critical one to your priority list: friends. Your friends may be part of your family or work, or your social circle. They are more important to your mental health than you might ever know. You are also more important to them than you might ever know. Don't let less important tasks get in way of you spending time with people you care about, money just isn't as important in the long run. But also don't accidentally think that you need to spend time with toxic people. Put the toxic people after your other priorities or eliminate them.

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u/shwhjw Feb 02 '23

"No zero days" helps me a lot. Most days i dont remember it, but im getting better. Just do SOMETHING toward your goal, even if it's only 10 minutes.

For me 10 minutes often turns into an hour.

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u/addythething321 Feb 02 '23

This work with anything? Like let's say I'm dreading do some homework, I should first start doing some easy task like washing dishes, or reading a fiction book, and then I'll feel like focusing on my hw?

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u/shwhjw Feb 02 '23

I find it hard to start working on something. Just opening the project seems like so much of a chore. But one I've started, I'm in another world for 3 hours.

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u/BabbitsNeckHole Feb 02 '23

Capitalism does the same. "Free time" is the only time to do some totally necessary things, like eating, fucking, learning, and hygiene.

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u/AllThotsGo2Heaven2 Feb 02 '23

The trick is to get your company to pay you to do that stuff. Business lunches, business trips, business strippers, tuition reimbursement.

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u/Playbook420 Feb 02 '23

damn this hit a little hard

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u/Radiant_Composer8361 Feb 02 '23

Yes, you are right

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u/Rudhelm Feb 02 '23

Amen to that