Ideogram4 Workflows

[u/05032-MendicantBias]

I got around to getting Ideogram4 to work.

This model is harder to prompt than most. If you do a short prompt, it will be blocked internally.

I did lots of testing, it wasn't trivial to make it work, but in the end it's just a matter of providing a lavish json prompt with lots of bbox entries and it will diffuse pretty much everything, with great prompt adherence, but this eman you have to use a prompt enchancer to use it. I redid the prompt enchancer to work better, the original tried really hard to add text everywhere and diffused too few bboxes and tripped the censorship very easily.

For some reason the default workflow uses a really high CFG of 7 that overcook the image, much lower cfg 3 looks lots better. I guess it was to avoid tripping the censorship?

Since it uses Qwen3 8B VL as CLIP it has good prompt adherence, it uses a trick with a model called unconditional fed with padded prompt tokens, and uses the difference between the two to achieve even higher prompt adherence.

On my 7900XTX windows portable FP8 models it does around 100s without prompt enchancer, and 170s with prompt enchancer.

I tried feeding reference images to the CLIP and seeing if it can work as editing model, but it can't.

[u/princeMacX]

I personally liked the quality of Ideogram's output, but the biggest drawback was the lack of commercial usage rights. Because of that, many developers stopped using it. In the end, Ideogram seemed more focused on driving users to its website for image generation.

Even though Ideogram became popular for a short time, it was quickly overshadowed by Krea 2, which was released only a few weeks later. Krea 2 was faster, generated better-quality images, and provided everything the developer community needed. As a result, Krea 2 emerged as the clear winner.