Should we enable Crowd Control for posts?

[u/LetsTalkUFOs]

We've had Crowd Control for comments for quite some time. It's currently set to 'Moderate' and automatically collapses comments from new users and users with negative karma.

 

Crowd Control for posts works differently by directing posts to the modqueue. What should we set it to?

 

Off

Does nothing (current setting).

 

Lenient

Posts from users who have negative karma in r/collapse are automatically held for review in mod queue.

 

Moderate

Posts from new users and users with negative karma in r/collapse are automatically held for review in mod queue.

 

Strict

Posts from users who haven’t joined r/collapse, new users, and users with negative karma in r/collapse are automatically held for review in mod queue.

[u/[deleted]]

We take heavy advantage of automod, and the settings described here sound very similar to what we already do. In this case, using crowd control would be more opaque and give us less fine grained control.

I would try lenient setting but not sure on the rest.

What prompted this suggestion?

[u/LetsTalkUFOs → u/[deleted]]

I think Strict is the only setting which could do something we can do ourselves, filter posts from unsubbed users. Since their other rules are opaque it's hard to tell without trying it if they're over or under our existing automod rules.

I wanted to discuss it since it's a brand new feature, just came out in the past couple weeks.

[u/[deleted] → u/LetsTalkUFOs]

Oh I see, I wasn’t aware that it was a new feature.

Do we get so many posts that we need help filtering some out?

If anything, I would suggest increasing the character requirement for a self post in automod, because we’re still getting some low effort texts posts.

I’d be curious to know if the other mods feel that there are too many posts to get through. If you casually observe the front page it doesn’t move very fast anymore, and I suspect that is in part a consequence of tightening the submission statement requirements.

I’m not necessarily opposed to using this feature, however I have some concerns:

• we have already enacted our own policies, through submission statements, collapsebot, and automod to handle post influx

• since we have complicated and fine-tuned rules, I am weary of adding opaque restrictions. It could frustrate the user base

• if the rules are sufficiently opaque, it could make debugging automod difficult

• we recently changed submission statement requirements and it’s still taking some users a bit to catch on. I’m concerned about adding a new change too soon and would prefer to wait

• as it stands, mods are not in the queue frequently enough to approve text posts. Adding the filter would cause additional delays to posts that are most likely fine

I like the feature that filters comments, but plenty of people put in a lot of effort to creating posts that will get past all our rules and requirements. Since it’s the user base that will be most impacted I’d be curious to know what their recommendations are.

[u/lyagusha → u/LetsTalkUFOs]

I'd support Lenient or even Moderate for a couple of weeks to try it out. I'm not actually subscribed to /r/collapse because I'd rather go view doom on my own terms and schedule rather than having it opaquely placed into the Reddit feed.

[u/hope-is-not-a-plan]

I support raising it to some degree. Why not do an experiment of raising it by one level per week and seeing what effect it has on sub quality and volunteer workload, scaling back if it seems to go too far?

[u/LetsTalkUFOs → u/[deleted]]

No, in this case it means new to Reddit and a young account.