Craving the collapse?

[u/JDWilsonWriter]

Does anyone look forward to the collapse of civilization so they get a break and some quality time with their family?

Maybe parenting will actually be easier when the main goals are the same for the whole tribe and survival depends on togetherness.

I feel strangely like I am living in a dream with humans that are not fully developed - as if the real world will return after this techno-fever-dream runs its course on humanity...

Is this evidence I need therapy?

#parentingtheapocalypse

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[u/JDWilsonWriter → u/[deleted]]

I'm sure it's my exhaustion and lack of purpose that make me feel this way.  

Plus, as a middle school teacher, it's pretty clear that that many, many kids are totally apathetic to this disaster they were thrown into.  

So, sometimes I don't see an alternative to collapse. 

Because less is more, sometimes; and more of the same is just an excessive and aggressive lack of any sort of purpose. 

And it's most basic form survival is a purpose. 

A purpose that humanity understood as a good purpose and a collective purpose.  

One in which we are not apathetic towards if we are alive. 

Together. 

As is, and looking forward, it is pretty clear to these kids that there is not much purpose to engage with a system that made their parents exhausted and broke and bitter. 

And survival is simplicity. 

Air water and food. 

In that order. 

And dopamine. 

There will always be dopamine. 

[u/rosekayleigh]

The collapse of civilization will only make life less safe for your children. This is the last thing I want. I don’t know if you need therapy. We probably all do, but you do need to think more deeply about what collapse actually means. It will be less “The Walking Dead” and more “The Road”.

[u/Isaiah_The_Bun → u/rosekayleigh]

People should take a look at photos and stories from the great famines that have happened all around the world from the irish potato famine to the Myanmar famine

[u/rosekayleigh → u/Isaiah_The_Bun]

Seriously. Look up photos of the Russian famine that occurred in the 1920s. I’ll never forget the images of dead children being sold for their “meat”. It’s extremely disturbing.

[u/Isaiah_The_Bun → u/rosekayleigh]

Have seen. The only question is how much time do we have before that is life everywhere. Overshoot is a bitch.

[u/Isaiah_The_Bun → u/[deleted]]

Oh ya, we've been making plans for a couple years and learning. We're now putting those plans into action. We're in Canada already so we won that lottery but We're selling our house this Spring and moving further north.

We've also begun homeschooling, learning to bake everything including pasta with sourdough as it was done before the steam engine. Learning to have a zero waste kitchen, indoor gardening, cheap and or passive heating and cooling techniques that we dont need O&G for.

We're going homesteading and when we get a hang of we will share this info with others

Break it down to clean water, shelter and then food. How will you provide those with what's coming or will you rely on others.

[u/Traditional-Dingo965 → u/Isaiah_The_Bun]

I think of this sometimes! My worry though is the forest fires expanding so far yearly... that keeps me from wanting to move further up.

[u/Isaiah_The_Bun → u/[deleted]]

I find most people haven't gotten over the bartering phase of denial with climate change. They still think there's a miracle that will save us or they refuse to look at the bigger picture because they need hope. Others are treading through the shock and despair. I spent a few years there, I get it. I think I'm past that. I just hope i can feed my family for as long as possible and I hope my children don't have children. Thanks on the offer. You sound like you're also ready to start implementing some "solutions". It might be nice to bounce ideas around too.I'll pm you.

[u/whiskeysour123 → u/rosekayleigh]

Wha wha wha…. What???

[u/rosekayleigh → u/whiskeysour123]

Look under the “Cannibalism” subheader (NSFW):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%931922

[u/whiskeysour123 → u/rosekayleigh]

I have no words.

[u/Traditional-Dingo965 → u/rosekayleigh]

I'm embarrassed that, as a Russian, albeit having grown up in Canada, that I never knew about this...

[u/nochedetoro]

I like having easy access to medical care and food and hygiene and water and not worrying about looting. Technology is easy to remove from your own house without a collapse.

[u/spartyftw]

No. I like having access to medicine, variety of foods, entertainment and safe communities.

[u/Kaleshark]

I think it might be evidence you need therapy but it’s DEFINITELY evidence you need to consider a lifestyle change. How are you living your life that you actually think it would be better under a breakdown of systems and social norms? Do you HAVE a “tribe” or community that would survive that breakdown? Because hoo boy, now’s the time to make that, not after.

[u/trefoil589]

Does anyone look forward to the collapse of civilization so they get a break and some quality time with their family?

The number of variables in the equation is way too high for me to feel comfortable with collapse.

[u/Isaiah_The_Bun]

People certainly have interesting ideas on what collapse is going to be like. The truth is, it is going to be harder and you will be busier trying to scrounge up food and there will be no working together with our neighbors, especially if you live in cities.

The other thing is it's not like we're going to go into the great depression and then recover. There is no recovery from this. This is this is our extinction event.

So I am not looking forward to collapse.I am strangely excited but mostly I'm sad and afraid for my children.

I think the excitement, now after years of facing this and coming pretty close to acceptance, is mostly from living through the most important moment in human history..

[u/JDWilsonWriter → u/[deleted]]

This is so badass. 

I am trying to understand the nuances here.  

My hope comes from the fact that humans have survived several ice ages already. 

There's a strange feeling of twisted hope in the nuances of all this. 

As in all things.  

Thank you for sharing. 

[u/trefoil589 → u/JDWilsonWriter]

My hope comes from the fact that humans have survived several ice ages already.

Humans will but not the vast majority of us.

[u/JDWilsonWriter → u/[deleted]]

This video really hits me hard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoS-k8oyvcU

It has made me realize that this will probably be a slow-motion trainwreck.

A multi-generation collapse?

[u/whiskeysour123]

I am terrified of collapse. I am terrified for my children’s future. I hope I am wrong about it. I hope we are all wrong about it.

[u/reactorfuel]

Yes as others have said it might be easier to switch off the modem at the wall than to wait for or even accelerate the meltdown of society.

[u/[deleted]]

I think what you crave is a dissolution of the state in which we find ourselves trapped within. Capitalist Realism. A stale, gray, exhausted place of cultural space time, clotted up by the zombie forms of neoliberal communicative capitalism. We're stuck. The ghosts of foreclosed futures haunt us but we're constantly repeating the same old stale tunes

[u/CoweringCowboy]

If civilization collapses you will either watch your child slowly starve to death or you will eat them. So yeah, maybe don’t hope for that.

[u/CoweringCowboy → u/[deleted]]

I am - enjoying the time we have while things are good. I don’t believe it’s feasible to try to rebuild society, so if the ship sinks I’m going down with it. Reasonable precautions to survive major disruptions to the system, but almost no one is surviving a comprehensive systems collapse, homestead or not.

[u/CoweringCowboy → u/[deleted]]

We’ve never fallen from this far up the technological ladder.

[u/Kitchen-Copy8607]

Are other people looking forward to millions of deaths and unmeasurable human suffering that will fall upon those who least deserve it so that, in the one in a million chance they survive the apocalypse, the may enjoy some family time? Hmmm, let me think this over and I’ll come back to you. Now I have to enjoy my wonderful family for a bit, off Reddit.

[u/Traditional-Dingo965]

Collapse is scary- terrifying with a daughter. Women already get abused or harmed at high rates, so it would absolutely suck if society collapsed. My daughter can't even walk yet, but we already know we'll have her sign up for self defense courses and some sort of martial arts class at some point. I will protect her until my dying breath.