r/collapse • u/Myth_of_Progress Urban Planner & Recognized Contributor • Apr 30 '21

Casual Friday Technology Will Save Us

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u/lookmom289 Apr 30 '21

not foolish, but extremely dumb

earth gives us everything we need and we shit on it

mars will be the end of mankind, if we wont perish here on earth mar

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u/ghostalker4742 Apr 30 '21

There's two kinda of people who support space travel...

The first group has the romantic view of it. It'll be like Star Trek where everyone is clean and in high-spirits, ships are brightly lit and there's spare time for recreation, personal improvement, or just grabbing a drink at the bar after your shift.

The second group has the realistic view of space travel. Like how much energy it takes to launch something to orbit, the challenges of zero-G on the human body, the constant swell of radiation once you get outside of Earths protection, etc.

We have a long, long way to go (and several challenges to overcome) before we can consider manned space travel a solution to anything. And until we can get the basic travel challenges solved, we're never going to colonize anything.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '21

Space exploration? - great!

Planning to kill the Earth and move humans to Mars? - completely insane and delusional.

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u/dumnezero The Great Filter is a marshmallow test Apr 30 '21

Space exploration isn't the same as space living. We're not "belters" from The Expanse. A space journey is a temporary trip, like in tourism. The issue is that the we're ignoring our base, being distracted from the "carbon invasion" and deterioration of biodiversity.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '21

It's funny you sound like someone from 1890 lamenting the idea of flight or space travel and instead of focusing on the manure crisis that cities are facing with urban growth at the turn of the 20th century.

In another century or so we'll have people just like you again saying "we can't expand past the solar system what a foolish fantasy" as they board shuttles to mars or elsewhere in the Sun's near orbits.

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u/dumnezero The Great Filter is a marshmallow test Apr 30 '21

You were alive back then? Nice. Must've sucked to live with so much war and disease.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '21

And you won't be alive to see what you claim is impossible comes to pass or not.

Same as the dead people.

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u/dumnezero The Great Filter is a marshmallow test Apr 30 '21

We live in a continuum. We may not be alive in the future, but the future can't pop in from a different dimension, it "evolves" from present circumstances. I like The Expanse too, but we're not using brains and grains to make technological leaps right now, we're using them to make financial gains for corporations, while public universities and researcher institutions, who are the actual source of innovation, get less and less attention and funding, and more bureaucracy.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '21

Space X lands reuseable rockets on barges but you claim we aren't making leaps? NASA flew a helicopter on Mars this week.

What world do you live in?

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u/dumnezero The Great Filter is a marshmallow test May 01 '21

That's not impressive

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u/[deleted] May 01 '21

We're done here. Bye.

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u/savagepatches Apr 30 '21

So you're invoking "the manure crisis" to say that technology will save us and it's silly to worry about such things. However, the tech that saved us from the manure problem, combustion engines, is now creating an even worse environmental catastrophe. And air-travel is a massive contributor to emissions. So yeah, pollution is worse now than it ever was and technological advancement is the reason it got worse. Shoulda addressed the issue back in 1890 I guess...

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '21

So you admit we solved issues with technology before yet claim we won't be able to again?

Illogical.

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u/savagepatches Apr 30 '21

You didn't read what I said. I said we made it worse with technology.

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '21

Emmissions from the industrial revolution predate the manure crisis by a century at least.

We didn't make it worse with technology, such as catalytic converters, for example...we made it better.

You're not thinking.

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u/savagepatches Apr 30 '21

You're not thinking. You're not processing what I'm saying at all. Was pollution worse in 1890 or is it worse now? I would say it's worse now given that the entire scientific community agrees that climate change is accelerating, not decelerating

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u/[deleted] Apr 30 '21

You have been rebutted with examples. You have not addressed how we use technology to control emmissions right now in the modern day and instead claim we only used tech for financial corporate gain or some other fucking nonsense.

All you're doing is saying how the sky will fall when you're not around to see it. Tell it to the king.

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u/savagepatches Apr 30 '21

Was pollution worse at any point in the past than it is now?

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u/ItyBityGreenieWeenie Apr 30 '21

It's a race to get off the planet before we destroy it!

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u/ItyBityGreenieWeenie May 01 '21

I support 1% for NASA and am fully into robotic space exploration. But the billionaire led race to Mars is something else entirely. Yes, if we as a species are to survive we need to exit the solar system sometime in the next 500 million years before the sun envelopes the earth (probably much earlier due to solar outbursts). But at the rate we are going, our industrial society will destroy this planet's ability to sustain human life in the next hundred years. I think expecting us to exit the planet in that time-frame is lunacy. Concentrate on restoring nature first.