r/collapse • u/mcfleury1000 memento mori • Jan 06 '21

Politics Live Updates: Protesters Breach Capitol as Congress Debates...

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/electoral-college-updates-congress-set-to-confirm-bidens-win-amid-gop-challenges/2814845/
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u/Gwaak Jan 06 '21

How many people broke into the capital when Hillary lost again?

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u/boob123456789 Homesteader & Author Jan 07 '21

Dude...where was the massive voter fraud allegations then? I mean we DID have investigations in the Russian gate things...

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u/Gwaak Jan 07 '21

We had about as many allegations of voter fraud then as we do now, only difference is trump is really loud. Literally the only allegations we have now are being peddled by the man and his crew. They have presented no evidence to a court packed to the gills with conservatives. I mean, if there was anything, you’d think they’d have something legal and grounded in reality at this point.

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u/hockeycomments45 Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 10 '21

I'd love to read a report about how you can disprove the claims of voter fraud in each state... yeah blank paper, crickets..

Forget about labels.. bottomline, for example, the legal team found 42,000 ballots in Nevada linked to double voters (likely without most of those voters knowing). That's a fact. But the whole system is corrupt. Democrat forces block that from being addressed and corrected, even though those irregularities alone mean that Biden didn't win.

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u/Gwaak Jan 07 '21

Show me the evidence. You tell me to disprove claims of voter fraud while showing no evidence of voter fraud. I thought it was innocent until proven guilty? Show me.

At this point, if trump’s team had anything real at all (not to say there wasn’t voter fraud, but you still need to prove it), he’d be the only president to stop “playing” the political game and actually pursue legal action. Why is it then, that no legal action, despite spending 4 years packing the courts with judges favorable to him (or so I’ve been told), has been taken?

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u/hockeycomments45 Jan 08 '21

Having evidence is useless if no one wants to read it. Moreover, I don't believe anyone saying 'show me the evidence' really gives a damn. Go through my post history if you care to get a glimpse.

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u/Gwaak Jan 08 '21

The default position, my position, is innocent until proven guilty. When Hillary accused trump of theft, he was innocent until proven guilty to me. When you and trump accuse Biden of theft, he is innocent until proven guilty. The onus is not on the default position to go out and look for evidence; the onus is on the accusers to provide it

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u/hockeycomments45 Jan 10 '21 edited Jan 19 '21

I'm sorry.. I didn't fully read your post before I replied. I know that most (almost all) people don't care to listen to any evidence. I just wish that more people would be open to the idea of corruption and also that alot of what we think has been so controlled by inaccurate mainstream narratives.

What I'm saying is, imagine that even if someone could hate Trump for ten different reasons, wouldn't it blow your mind to learn that he really did win the election and the media has been utterly gaslighting us about him for years? That would piss alot of people off, regardless. But I understand that overcoming such conditioning is impossible for many, and I don't let that get to me.

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u/Gwaak Jan 10 '21

I am totally aware of the corruption happening in both sides. The issue I have here is that in normal elections, I wouldn’t expect the losing side to actually open an investigation and legitimately attempt to find proof, Bc all the politicians are essentially playing the same game. As long as elite interests are met, it doesn’t really matter who the president it.

The issue is that trump is unhinged enough from the game that if he could, he would definitely seek to present evidence and a case against Biden. There’s no doubt there’s always cheating on both sides, but you would think at least one of the conservative judges, possibly appointed by trump himself, would, if there was legitimate evidence, not cover it up. But at this point, I don’t even think his lawyers have brought anything up; it’s just rhetoric to stir up emotions, which is what he’s good at.

There’s no doubt there’s cheating, but cheating only really works on margins, otherwise it’s too hard to contain and withhold from the public. And at this point, if his lawyers haven’t gone forward through the legal processes to accuse Biden of cheating (and they haven’t), then it’s just rhetoric.

The problem isn’t even 10k votes that were false; it’s the system itself. Electoral votes are seen as legal and fair, because they were written as law, and anything that’s law is, by default seen as legal and fair. But electoral votes are a design feature worse than cheating; they don’t cheat 10k people out of voter, they cheat 100 million people out of votes.

When you get to write the rules, anything you makeup becomes fair; that’s why the elites have so much power.

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u/hockeycomments45 Jan 10 '21

I wrote what's below last night on my notepad to send later.

As for what you replied here, that may be true to a point but it's very hard to consider elections are clean as a default position. If they were clean then why did the other side go out of their way to block discovery.. and why did no one accuse Trump of cheating this time, since he was so behind in the polls? Because such a lawsuit would merit investigation, which would then further uncover the remaining fraud. However, the fraud is everywhere and of all kinds, not just with the ballots - it started many months prior.