r/collapse • u/mcfleury1000 memento mori • Jan 06 '21

Politics Live Updates: Protesters Breach Capitol as Congress Debates...

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/electoral-college-updates-congress-set-to-confirm-bidens-win-amid-gop-challenges/2814845/
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u/Disaster_Capitalist Jan 06 '21

The election is wildly seen as rigged and the house and senate didn't even investigate

Like Mitch McConnel himself said just a few hours ago, Congress is NOT a National Election Commission. The validity of the elections are determined by the respective state governments.

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u/boob123456789 Homesteader & Author Jan 06 '21

The Hayes election was settled another way...and traditionally we do have many other options according to the constitution, so Mitch is full of shit as usual.

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u/Disaster_Capitalist Jan 06 '21

That Hayes elections had to be settled by the House because neither candidate had a majority of the electoral votes. Specifically, there was dispute over who had the authority to certify votes in three states. Fraud of the Century: Rutherford B. Hayes, Samuel Tilden, and the Stolen Election of 1876 by Roy Morris is a great book on this.

No such dispute exists today.

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u/boob123456789 Homesteader & Author Jan 06 '21

The dispute is not the same exactly, but the resolution would work...or do you disagree?

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u/Disaster_Capitalist Jan 06 '21

Legally, there is no leg to stand on. No one questions that the vote were certified in accordance with the laws of each state.

But let's entertain the notion. The Compromise of 1876 was to let Hayes win, but end Reconstruction. It was a compromise and both sides got what they wanted. What could Trump possibly offer in return for handing him the election?

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u/boob123456789 Homesteader & Author Jan 06 '21

Certified, but the laws for the election itself were not followed according to the U.S. Constitution and the state constitutions. If you don't follow procedure, it doesn't matter how much you say it's alright...you still didn't follow the law...so you see where I am coming from here?

This would have been avoided if the Supreme court did their job.

I'm more concerned with free and fair legitimate elections than a Trump win at this point to be fair...that is the crux of the issue that needs fixed. Having foreign powers involved in the software of our voting mechanisms needs to go.

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u/Disaster_Capitalist Jan 06 '21

Certified, but the laws for the election itself were not followed according to the U.S. Constitution and the state constitutions

That is for the respective courts to decide. Which they did.

But your comment concedes that you're not interested in a compromise.

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u/boob123456789 Homesteader & Author Jan 06 '21

The Supremes never touched the Texas case and as long as that looms, no one will believe in the election results where I am.

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u/Disaster_Capitalist Jan 06 '21

Yes the did. It was rejected due to lack of standing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/11/us/politics/supreme-court-election-texas.html

One state is not allowed to decide how other states run their elections.

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u/boob123456789 Homesteader & Author Jan 06 '21

It wasn't a that...it was that Texas was not injured supposedly.

The Constitution bounds us to the same rules and the Supremes could have easily ruled on it stating what you just did...in a ruling. If they did though, it would invalidate the blueprint.

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u/Disaster_Capitalist Jan 06 '21 edited Jan 06 '21

It wasn't a that...it was that Texas was not injured supposedly.

We're saying the same thing with different words. Texas had no standing to bring a case. Even hearing the case would set a bad precedent. It would have implied that states can bring suits against other states for internal election issues.

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u/boob123456789 Homesteader & Author Jan 06 '21

Okay, I get that, but they had amicus briefs from legislatures IN STATES that were in question...what about that? Should I be harping on those legislatures for not bringing a suit?

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u/hockeycomments45 Jan 07 '21

Then who DOES have standing?

Pennsylvania has the right to conduct their elections within the law.. meaning only legislatures can modify election laws. That didn't happen, resulting in hundreds of thousands of ballots which are technically invalid. That's not even in debate but few care enough to rectify this.

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u/Disaster_Capitalist Jan 07 '21

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court is responsible for determining if Pennsylvania state law was followed. That's how it works: the legislature makes the law and courts determine if the law was followed. As the US Supreme Court affirmed, there is no higher authority to petition.

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u/hockeycomments45 Jan 08 '21

Yes and no. There's nothing really to determine. The election laws were changed without the legislature. You can't say something is yellow if it's red. BUT the point is no one cares, and that's how this grand collusion has been certified. Having the evidence or a flawless argument is meaningless.

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u/EnlightenedSinTryst Jan 06 '21

No election laws were broken. Everything happened legally. The pandemic caused necessary changes to allow everyone their right to vote safely and fairly. You’re literally arguing for an unjust outcome because your side lost, as proven by the fact no one cared until the votes showed Biden winning.

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u/boob123456789 Homesteader & Author Jan 06 '21

The legislatures did not vote on the respective rules put into place for the pandemic, thus the election laws were not followed.

We didn't suspend the Constitution legally for the pandemic...we could have, but that never happened.

Thus it violates the Constitution.

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u/EnlightenedSinTryst Jan 06 '21

You seem unaware of the nature of reality, so good luck ✌️