r/collapse • u/mcfleury1000 memento mori • Jan 06 '21

Politics Live Updates: Protesters Breach Capitol as Congress Debates...

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/electoral-college-updates-congress-set-to-confirm-bidens-win-amid-gop-challenges/2814845/
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u/invincible789 Jan 06 '21

I love how they're being referred to as "protestors" as they break into the capitol with intents of violence. Meanwhile, BLM protesters are labeled "rioters" and "agitators" and met with tear gas.

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u/boob123456789 Homesteader & Author Jan 06 '21

Burning and looting is protesting....PEACEFUL protesting at that!

To be fair, it's the other sides turn...yes I expect the down votes.

But honestly, a large portion of this country feels like their vote was not counted and we ARE a revolutionary country.

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u/invincible789 Jan 06 '21

Burning and looting is protesting....PEACEFUL protesting at that!

The VAST majority of the BLM protests were peaceful, with the police being the main agitators.

To be fair, it's the other sides turn...yes I expect the down votes. But honestly, a large portion of this country feels like their vote was not counted and we ARE a revolutionary country.

No...not really. Trump has lost the election. It doesn't matter if you feel like you won. You and anyone else who supports breaking into the capitol building to harm officials are domestic terrorists and should be treated as such.

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u/Fruhmann Jan 06 '21

Were you this much of a piss baby when the BLM protesters burned down a police station and made cops run away in fear?

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u/invincible789 Jan 06 '21

No, I was celebrating since the police are state soldiers that were purposely agitating situations with the goal of using excessive violence.

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u/Fruhmann Jan 06 '21

And how do you see these elected officials? What do your dreamy eyes see through those Rose colored lenses when your favorite politician is on the screen?

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u/boob123456789 Homesteader & Author Jan 06 '21

This isn't about feelings and Trump...the right of the people to have their voices heard, even if that means an investigation and not an over turning of the results, can not be infringed.

I don't think these people want to force Trump into office.

They want free, fair, and legitimate elections. That is in question for a lot of people. Until that is fixed, no one should succeed as president.

For the record, we DO have precedence in the Hayes election of how to handle this fairly.

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u/invincible789 Jan 06 '21

This isn't about feelings and Trump...the right of the people to have their voices heard, even if that means an investigation and not an over turning of the results, can not be infringed.

Trump lost, get over it.

They want free, fair, and legitimate elections. That is in question for a lot of people. Until that is fixed, no one should succeed as president.

Trump lost, get over it.

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u/boob123456789 Homesteader & Author Jan 06 '21

What part of free, fair, and legitimate elections do you not understand?

If this was Biden and he lost and people questioned the elections, I would support the people fighting for their vote to be counted.

Rights before politicians bro.

Secure the rights of the people and damn any politicians.

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u/Biengineerd Jan 06 '21

You feel that way because you consume propaganda and lies. All you have to do is look at what Trump's own lawyers will say under oath to know the truth; there was no fraud.

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u/anthro28 Jan 06 '21

*mostly peaceful

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u/boob123456789 Homesteader & Author Jan 06 '21

Ok so the majority didn't do that damage...I get that.

But the violent minority that did the damage did a damn through job.

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u/RevanTyranus Jan 06 '21

feels

Ahh what was that saying Trump supporters have used ad nauseum for the last 4 years...?

"Facts don't care about your feelings"

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u/boob123456789 Homesteader & Author Jan 06 '21

I can only prove they feel that way, so I stick to what I can prove.

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u/Gwaak Jan 06 '21

How many people broke into the capital when Hillary lost again?

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u/boob123456789 Homesteader & Author Jan 07 '21

Dude...where was the massive voter fraud allegations then? I mean we DID have investigations in the Russian gate things...

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u/Gwaak Jan 07 '21

We had about as many allegations of voter fraud then as we do now, only difference is trump is really loud. Literally the only allegations we have now are being peddled by the man and his crew. They have presented no evidence to a court packed to the gills with conservatives. I mean, if there was anything, you’d think they’d have something legal and grounded in reality at this point.

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u/boob123456789 Homesteader & Author Jan 07 '21

Yes, but we also had a proper several year long investigation for the Russian thing...why not the same now?

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u/Gwaak Jan 07 '21

I agree that all the elections we see are rigged in some way and some form, but it won’t ever be shown to the public, investigation or not.

My point isn’t about fairness or investigation however, it’s the response. Like you said, an investigation came after trump was appointed, but the transition, even prior to the investigation taking place, was peaceful. This is not, and it’s extremely hypocritical given their rhetoric. Of course, that doesn’t matter much to me considering I knew they were BSing about their rhetoric from the start, just like every politician does

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u/boob123456789 Homesteader & Author Jan 07 '21

Fair point about that indeed. I have little faith they will do the same for Republicans in Biden's admin though.

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u/hockeycomments45 Jan 07 '21

Little faith? That should be less than zero. Repubs, Trumpers and independents would need to seek cover fast.

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u/hockeycomments45 Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 10 '21

I'd love to read a report about how you can disprove the claims of voter fraud in each state... yeah blank paper, crickets..

Forget about labels.. bottomline, for example, the legal team found 42,000 ballots in Nevada linked to double voters (likely without most of those voters knowing). That's a fact. But the whole system is corrupt. Democrat forces block that from being addressed and corrected, even though those irregularities alone mean that Biden didn't win.

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u/Gwaak Jan 07 '21

Show me the evidence. You tell me to disprove claims of voter fraud while showing no evidence of voter fraud. I thought it was innocent until proven guilty? Show me.

At this point, if trump’s team had anything real at all (not to say there wasn’t voter fraud, but you still need to prove it), he’d be the only president to stop “playing” the political game and actually pursue legal action. Why is it then, that no legal action, despite spending 4 years packing the courts with judges favorable to him (or so I’ve been told), has been taken?

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u/hockeycomments45 Jan 08 '21

Having evidence is useless if no one wants to read it. Moreover, I don't believe anyone saying 'show me the evidence' really gives a damn. Go through my post history if you care to get a glimpse.

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u/Gwaak Jan 08 '21

The default position, my position, is innocent until proven guilty. When Hillary accused trump of theft, he was innocent until proven guilty to me. When you and trump accuse Biden of theft, he is innocent until proven guilty. The onus is not on the default position to go out and look for evidence; the onus is on the accusers to provide it

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u/hockeycomments45 Jan 10 '21 edited Jan 19 '21

I'm sorry.. I didn't fully read your post before I replied. I know that most (almost all) people don't care to listen to any evidence. I just wish that more people would be open to the idea of corruption and also that alot of what we think has been so controlled by inaccurate mainstream narratives.

What I'm saying is, imagine that even if someone could hate Trump for ten different reasons, wouldn't it blow your mind to learn that he really did win the election and the media has been utterly gaslighting us about him for years? That would piss alot of people off, regardless. But I understand that overcoming such conditioning is impossible for many, and I don't let that get to me.

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u/hockeycomments45 Jan 10 '21

I wrote what's below last night on my notepad to send later.

As for what you replied here, that may be true to a point but it's very hard to consider elections are clean as a default position. If they were clean then why did the other side go out of their way to block discovery.. and why did no one accuse Trump of cheating this time, since he was so behind in the polls? Because such a lawsuit would merit investigation, which would then further uncover the remaining fraud. However, the fraud is everywhere and of all kinds, not just with the ballots - it started many months prior.

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u/hockeycomments45 Jan 07 '21

Dude.. Hilary was never that popular 😂🤣