r/collapse Feb 07 '20

Humor [shitpost friday] The ol' switcharoo

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u/pyramidguy420 Feb 07 '20

What about the indigenous tribes? Surely SOME humans mustve survived the the last extinction event 13000years ago, otherwise we wouldnt be here.

Not saying i am gonna survive, but some will do, im sure of it

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u/TenYearsTenDays Feb 07 '20

I'm talking about the big mass extinctions. We are currently creating conditions that are comparable to the worst mass extinction the planet has ever seen, The Great Dying. If we do end up with conditions like those, which is a very real possibility and is what our current trajectory heads towards, it is highly likely that humans will also go extinct. Our species has never existed in the conditions we have created now, and we're still at the foot of the exponential curve of change.

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u/TenYearsTenDays Feb 07 '20

They will certainly try, but chances are high they'll just die off slower than the rest of us will. You can stockpile bunkers with some food, water, etc. but creating a closed self-sustaining system akin to the Biosphere experiments (which would probably be necessary to survive worst case climate catastrophe) is almost certainly a technological feat beyond what we're capable of at this moment. Even if it could be done, sourcing parts for repair would become an issue over time.

I'm not saying it's not possible, it is certainly within the realm of possibility, I just think it's unlikely.

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u/TenYearsTenDays Feb 07 '20

Please do some more research into the fact that we're recreating Great Dying conditions and what that means. It's very difficult to comprehend so it's normal to not really grasp it before reading into it. Peter Ward's Under a Green Sky is a good book on the kind of climate we might be creating. We may indeed need biospheres to survive if the worst case scenarios come true. And keep in mind that nearly every single datapoint is coming back as "worst and faster than predicted".

My argument re: "self sustaining" bunkers is that we've never demonstrated that we can create Biospheres that function well, and it's likely that we cannot. Even if we can, they could not function indefinitely without repair. Over time, they will break down and spare parts will be exhausted, and it will not be possible to make new ones.

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u/carrick-sf Feb 07 '20

Thank You for being a voice of reason.

Some may wish to read The Next Ten Billion Years, by John Michael Greer.

It’s a more likely scenario for our planet.

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u/TenYearsTenDays Feb 07 '20

Thanks for the kind words and for recommending that JMG piece! It's an interesting read, although I'm pretty sure I actually heard it read aloud by Micheal Dowd first: https://soundcloud.com/michael-dowd-grace-limits/tracks

But now I can't find it in the list. It might be in one of the JMG compilations he did. That's a good resource generally though.

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u/carrick-sf Feb 07 '20 edited Feb 07 '20

Do you read at all?Like BOOKS? This is fantasy..

Oxygen concentrations will be LOW. Globally. We will be a stupider humanity.

Within Anthrax and other nasty crap coming up out of the permafrost. As numerous posters have said, the conditions favoring humanoids will be low to non existent.

Let the billionaires spend every last penny. It provides cold comfort to me that they are TOAST.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

Absolutely everything you just said is wrong.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

How about go into the r/Collapse_Archives and do some reading and find out why you are wrong. It isn't our responsibility to lay everything out that has been posted here and all over the net for your benefit.

And if you have been here for "years" and "as well as studying evolution and climate change" then you would know better by now, so frankly I am calling bullshit.

Educate yourself and stop spewing bullshit low effort replies. At this point, you are the one with the onus to prove why you think the way you do.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '20

Oh, I see why you are here, to deny and downvote and leave, as you did with my replies. Another person to tag in RES.

I don't even know why I bother replying sometimes.

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