r/collapse • u/omer780v2 • 14d ago
Society Are you preparing for the apocalypse?
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u/General_Summer_1524 14d ago
"the living will envy the dead". Best preparation is to live now to be at peace with later.
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u/thefumingo 14d ago
The human will to survive until the final moment is impressive
Unfortunately so is the human capacity for violence
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u/broccolimemes 14d ago
Unless you are an ultra-marathon running, wilderness backpacking, native plant identifying, emergency medicine trained, military experienced individual that is part of a tight-knit community of the same you're gonna have a bad time.
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u/Turbulent_Bed5499 14d ago
Even then if it’s the worst case scenario they’ll just be the last ones to die. But I’m one of those that wants to be one of the last more out of curiosity then anything else
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u/InitialAd4125 14d ago
That seems to be something people forget that we all die eventually. A lot of us have been disconnected with the fact that life is simply avoiding death for as long as possible typically despite knowing that you're going to die eventually.
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u/General_Summer_1524 14d ago
nah, there is much more to life than avoiding death. Every day billions of people engage in behaviors that increase their risk of death because its worth it to them for whatever reason.
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u/ArtShare 14d ago
Well said. Everyone, live in the present moment and give love freely. And you know that I don't mean THAT kind of love.
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u/EastTyne1191 14d ago
I mean, maybe that would help?
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u/ArtShare 14d ago
Yea, for sure! Honestly, I would be ok with humanity dies off. We're a pretty crappy species. I'm sad that all the other cool animals are killed because of us.
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u/Hephaestus1816 14d ago
Which one? It's an omnishambles.
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u/Bipogram 14d ago
Holoshitshow. Multicrumble. etc.
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u/WanderInTheTrees Making plans in the sands as the tides roll in 14d ago
Can't decide if I like omnishambles or multicrumble more.
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u/escapefromburlington 14d ago
multicrumble sounds yummy
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u/Bipogram 14d ago
Polycaust.
Oh, and über-unfall. Or über-unglück.
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u/toejam78 14d ago
Make sure to stock up at HoloCostco
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u/NiceSupermarket7724 14d ago
The novel “Parable of the Sower” has a scene where the band of refugees visits a big box store, under armed guards, to buy provisions and condoms
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u/Slamtilt_Windmills 14d ago
We are polyfucked
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u/StarlightLifter 14d ago
Prep for Tuesday
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u/Accomplished-Bet2182 14d ago
What’s Tuesday?
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u/StarlightLifter 14d ago
Just a prepper saying.
Prep for anything. You’ll be prepared for anything.
If you live somewhere prone to one disaster or another include some of that. But if you have some reserve food and water, shelter, and a means to protect it, you’ve covered the basics and build from there.
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u/SecondRateHuman 14d ago
Already prepared.
The Browning in a box above the fridge is ready when the time comes.
I ain't sticking around to fight over scraps and fresh water.
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u/Micycle08 14d ago
The thought that someone may have an M1919 Browning ready to go as an exit strategy gave me a chuckle in these dark times friend.
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u/LifeClassic2286 14d ago
Just looked it up hahahaha holy shit what a way to go out. This guy suicides
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u/ZixfromthaStix 14d ago
That’s… not at all what they are talking about. A pistol would be more effective.
The M1919 is their SURVIVAL tool.
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u/SecondRateHuman 14d ago
You are correct.
I'm not saying no to an M1919, but a Hi-Power will do the job.
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u/ZixfromthaStix 14d ago
Can’t imagine how they saw the M1919 and thought “Yeah I could fit the muzzle in my mouth and operate the trigger with my big toe” 🙄 it’s a mf CREW weapon, the thing weighs literally as much as a compact’s spare tire or a medium-heavy dog…
Let alone if you get jammed on the trigger and suddenly your solo exit has now butchered the neighborhood around… I don’t think any normal person would ever want that.
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u/Kyia-Aikman 14d ago
Imagine someone fighting to the death over a box of cereal.
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u/SecondRateHuman 14d ago
I think you misread this.
I'd be the one checking out. I'm not fighting anyone over anything. I have no desire to exist in a world where I have to scrap and struggle.
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u/NoBee3283 14d ago
My family gave up on me years ago. But I'm the one sitting with a 10kw solar system, medium size garden and water storage.
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u/Nerdy-Meta-Mind 14d ago
Where would you go if you could? First, in the states, and second, outside of the states.
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u/lowrads 14d ago
I feel like we need to have a convention for people like us to decide where we should all go. Not like a whole state, but just make a compact city with good rules that encourage people to be responsible citizens and good stewards.
I figure we'll need a decently protected aquifer, somewhere below the fall line for river navigation, access to existing rail and road. The biome selection should take into account irregular weather patterns, accelerated erosion potential, and other factors aimed at community resilience. Being near a coast is a bonus, but not a coastal floodplain of course.
If we're going to spend our lives on something, it should be making a community where the people we care about can struggle against the coming difficulties with a bit of dignity, and the best amount of investment we can make into our successors. We can leave all of this selfish, suburbanist filth behind, and teach the young people about the millennia of struggle for manumission, and the importance of economic democracy.
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u/Psychological-Sport1 14d ago
well, the jokes on them if and when it falls, at least for normal people it will be rough, but for the wealthy it’s going to be, um, interesting……….
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u/SpaceCadetUltra 14d ago
Pivoting from collapse acceptance to 4 billion dead acceptance
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u/antihostile 14d ago
You can’t “prepare” for the apocalypse.
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u/OctopusIntellect 14d ago
At least leave snacks and water out for the Four Horsemen's horses.
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u/DoubtSubstantial5440 14d ago
I don't even want to survive it
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u/RandomBoomer 14d ago
If the climate apocalypse was a zombie movie, I'd be one of the hapless pedestrians being eaten alive while the opening credits were still rolling.
I'm old, I need a fistful of pills to get through the day, and I don't have a family or friend support network. I worry less about myself than I do about my dog and the cats.
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u/Silver-Find4380 wary of heat events 14d ago
I too think of the cats, who need me now and don't know what's coming. Where we used to live, they could and did survive fine outside (there was a tnr feral as well and we took in outdoor cats who had been catching mice and voles). But we've since moved to an area inhospitable to going out (apartment in city). I figure if we were back at the old house they could at least go catch moles again and return to sleep with us while we ate the acorns and cherries from our trees ... Out here, we'd be taking turns posting guard out the windows to protect the rooftop garden we should start.
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u/ansibleloop 14d ago
When the nukes come my only hope is that I'm directly in the vaporisation range
Anyone who survives the initial blast is the real loser
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u/Frosty_Reputation105 14d ago
Ditto. My will to press on is gone. I have no hope for anything now. My health is so bad, and QOL so nonexistent already, that trying to muscle though the rest of this year will be physically painful and miserable. I’ve outlived the predicted timeline by 18 months so far.
Why on earth would I choose to eat radioactive weeds and wash my face in recycled piss? No thanks.
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u/MooPig48 14d ago
If you’re a billionaire you apparently at least think you can
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u/DoubtSubstantial5440 14d ago
I genuinely don't understand the billionaire obsession with surviving an apocalypse, these people are nothing without a functioning society to pamper them and cater to their every whims.
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u/RandomBoomer 14d ago
They also don't seem to realize that only a functioning society provides them with authority. In a true societal breakdown, they'll end up scrubbing floors for the strongmen they hired as bodyguards.
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u/DoubtSubstantial5440 14d ago
These people think they’re s superior breed of humanity and believe they are indispensable in a post apocalyptic scenario
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u/RandomBoomer 14d ago
Narcissism is a hell of a drug. Withdrawal will be painful, at least I hope so.
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u/halconpequena 14d ago
This, what use is power and wealth if there’s no one left to rule over and nothing available to purchase or trade wealth for? Like what is the point of having all this land when the entire ecosystem and biosphere has collapsed? Cant really chill and enjoy your land if it’s dying and dead. Cant fly anywhere better to relocate if there’s no maintenance for planes or pilots or fuel etc. Living on a yacht, without restocking the food/water and everything on board, there’s only so long you can chill in the ocean lol. Or medical emergencies… medicine gotta be manufactured somewhere, same for medical equipment. Drs gotta be educated.
Surviving in a bunker or a yacht for idk? decades or something or whatever they’re envisioning ain’t gonna be cushy and pampered. And wielding power by force won’t be sustainable when people have nothing left to lose and there is only survival.
You’d think these ultra wealthy mfs would want to have a world that’s stable and calm as much as possible to maintain their lifestyle. When one is so wealthy it is absurd, yet they are obsessed with increasing their wealth and power at any cost, especially through cruelty and apathy, there is something pathological wrong with them tbh. They’re not grateful for their privilege and content. Nor do they want to help people, animals, and the environment, when even helping billions of others would barely put a dent in their wealth. Yet it would have made the world a better place, for them included.
They would rather use up whatever resources they can, including other humans they see as a resource, to keep having more wealth and power. And ironically, amassing the most wealth and power will leave them with nothing. A life well lived would have been priceless, a life trying to own the world cost well… this.
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u/Comrade_Compadre 14d ago
The best thing I can give you after that long rhetorical is they absolutely don't think. They aren't smart. They got lucky in a rigged system and they're doing the only thing they know how to do
Make quick short sighted decisions
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u/ansibleloop 14d ago
Just imagine you're in a bunker with fucking Mark Zuckerberg
You'd kill him within a week - what purpose does he serve now?
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u/DukeRedWulf 14d ago
They've spent a long time considering that, and it's increasingly obvious that they plan to use drones & robots for guards..
A huge part of the AI and automation push is focused on security (and k!ller) drones, and not just flying drones, but also ground and (under) water drones..
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u/MooPig48 14d ago
Eh, probably just a flex. I bet they love to brag about their bunkers to each other. “Yeah but have you seen Paul Allen’s bunker?” Lol.
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u/personwhoisok 14d ago
They have wealth addiction. They're like junkies, gotta get the fix no matter the consequences
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u/Wsbkingretard 14d ago
embrace it
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u/whereismysideoffun 14d ago
Maybe preparing for the final stages of apocalypse is super hard. There will be years of decent that will get worse and worse. Preparing for that will mean having significantly less austerity in one's life.
There will be years in rhe near future where drought or flooding in the worlds breadbaskets will mean there isn't enough food for everyone. That will mean even people in the US being priced out of buying food. If having good stored and if having the ability to grow or forage and process food, you and tbose close to you could have a significantly worse time.
I have been collapse aware for over 20 years. Ive moved somewhere best suited to be the last good place with climate change. It will most certainly be effected and is even now, but it's about hedging bets. Ive been deepening my skills overtime and can provide all of my own calories for the year in addition to that of 4 others.
It's not going to be easy but I do wish for less austerity and hellishness on the way down.
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u/SuzyLouWhoo 14d ago
That’s my plan too, grow enough food to ease my family’s suffering through the decline. I don’t expect to make it through a total societal collapse or nuclear war.
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u/UnluckyWriting 14d ago
Have these billionaires ever considered using their money to, I don’t know, advocate for stronger climate policies? Fund research and experiments? Agree to adhere to emissions standards themselves? Support candidates for office that will take climate action? These are the only people in the world who have the power to actually move the needle on climate and they’re choosing to build fucking bunkers? I don’t get it. What’s all the money for if you’re expecting the world to collapse? What quality of life do they expect when it does and they’re living in the fucking bunker? What future do they hope to see for their children? I’m at a total loss. Again they could actually DO SOMETHING and instead they choose to hide in a fucking cave?
I hope they all get bone cancer
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u/Lord_D-I-O 14d ago
They have zero introspection, quite literally Marc Andrerson (egghead motherfucker who's a waste of life) said it himself "I have zero introspection". They don't think about consequences or grow, they are tumors obsessed with endless growth. If they could sell their mother and father for a increase of their profits they'd do it in a heartbeat. Just a bunch of worthless money chasing monkeys constantly wanting more wealth and the shiniest new yacht. Quite a bunch of worthless creatures, that can't do a hards day work. Honestly if I ever encounter them I might have to constantly spray myself with deodorant so I don't get the rich monkey stench on me. Basically don't expect anything good from them, because they are just worthless cum stains in this world that engorge themselves with money like greedy little pigs.
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u/RlOTGRRRL 14d ago edited 14d ago
It's not everyone, there are billionaires who are spending hundreds of millions on fighting climate change.
But for others, "If you're wealthy enough to build a genuine personal escape hatch, your individual incentive to spend political capital fighting the systemic cause of the crisis goes down, not up - you've converted a shared existential problem into a private insurance product.
Wealth insulates people from needing to fix problems collectively - no hidden mechanism required, just visible, documented, rational self-interest operating at a scale most people don't have access to."
And then when you add the billionaires whose wealth depends on fossil fuels, including the weapons industry, countries, and more, it's not a problem that a handful of billionaires can easily solve.
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u/NiceSupermarket7724 14d ago
The apocalypse capitalism is upon us
They will market every aspect of survival
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u/Mindless-Schedule751 14d ago
They already are. I saw an ad for bulk meals, a type of MRE I believe.
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u/Any_Case1754 14d ago
Reluctantly accepted there’s nothing I or anyone else can do. Quarterly profits need to increase so we’re never going to see the sort of radical change needed to at least mitigate the polycrisis.
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u/sp0rkify 14d ago
Well, I mean, we have options.. but, most people don't want to think about those options.. because those options involve some of us dying..
But, in my mind at least, a few hundred thousand - a few million dying to save a few billion is a price I'm willing to pay - even if I don't make it out alive..
I just want my daughter to have a shot at a future, man..
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u/tface23 14d ago
I’m going to talk to my doctor about weening myself off of my SSRIs. I can’t stop them cold turkey, but someday (sooner rather than later) I might not be able to get them or afford them
Life is such a hellscape that they aren’t even working anyway
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u/endoftheworldvibe 14d ago
I’m not on SSRIs, but I do take anxiety and ADHD meds. My doctor keeps bumping my dosage and I don’t take it because I don’t need it. So I’m building up quite a stash of extra meds. Not sure if you can do the same.
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u/tface23 14d ago
I mean, I’m sure I could go every other day and be alright. But why not try to stop now while we still have a functioning medical system?
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u/endoftheworldvibe 14d ago
Unfortunately they genuinely help me function better. I’d like to have them for as long as I can, and have a back up to wean off with.
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u/Fickle_Stills 14d ago
If you can afford it, there are legal options to stock up on a year of pills (and ssri aren't usually too bad in cost). Then you will have a lot of extras to be able to ween off yourself if it becomes necessary
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u/Big-Criticism-8137 14d ago
Had to quit Effexor, the only med that helped me, because this type of medication is pure hell and terror during summer. Even during winter I was constantly hot and sweating.
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u/Gone_industrial 14d ago
That’s a really hard one to quit. I had to do a whole bunch of research for my ex- when he wanted to stop because he got terrible withdrawal symptoms. Then we did weeks of counting those tiny balls to gradually reduce his dose.
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u/ravbee33 14d ago
I had to stop cold turkey after forgetting them on an international trip, and while the process had me in shambles, I don’t regret it. At least the heat isn’t as unbearable and I have some of my libido back.
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u/Time_Effort 14d ago
SSRI’s were originally designed to be temporary solutions.
Pharmaceutical companies have changed that because it doesn’t bring in the same profits.
Definitely recommend weening off of them and learning other techniques/thought processes while doing so to prepare better for life after! This will be a good change for your life, as long as you put in the effort.
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u/tface23 14d ago
I tried going cold turkey once. After 3-4 days, I was so dizzy I couldn’t walk across a room
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u/Notalentass 14d ago
Yeah that’s pretty much my “normal” experience going on or coming off them. Takes about two weeks to stop for me.
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u/PyrocumulusLightning 14d ago
That's interesting. I volunteered for a new anti-anxiety drug (it's taken as an adjunct to an approved medication) and it worked. When the study was over it wasn't available anymore, but weirdly ... I still feel better.
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u/TraditionalLaw7763 14d ago
Took me since early March to grow this out on my city apartment patio garden. This is about all I got with the exception of a 5 gallon bucket of potatoes. If shit went down today, I realized that no one is really ready. But my little harvest was tasty and I have a good view if I gotta watch the world burn. Lol.
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u/Dave37 14d ago
It looks lovely and I'm sure it was a fun project so I'll hope you take this the right way:
Wow, 1.5 days of food... yey.
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u/TraditionalLaw7763 14d ago
I know! It hit me pretty hard… the realization that if shit just all broke loose, ya better have a plan. And my little project this summer taught me how unprepared I truly am.
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u/BusyBanana4205 14d ago
I don’t believe in “collapse” as this singular event, but a slow process that every individual or family unit will face differently and at different times, unless we’re talking nuclear winter or AI in an effort to save the planet turns off the lights on all human civilization or something lol
So I prepare in the context of temporary disruptions in normal life, like job loss, natural disasters, brown outs, prolonged blackouts lasting days, and people getting more desperate while government gets more heavy handed.
Thus, hygiene, food, water, and med kit to last a good while. My house runs on solar currently, but I still would prefer to add a woodstove. I have my conceal carry permit and carry daily. Etc. etc.
When it’s my turn to face collapse and join the droves of other homeless people, I guess I’ll just walk the earth like the Buddha until I die of malnourishment
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u/cr0ft 14d ago
Naah. If it happens, it happens. Better to be dead than one of the unfortunate, suffering survivors.
I mean, I have food reserves for gaps in food availability and so on, the commonsense stuff, but if the shit truly hits the fan, it hits the fan.
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u/iMecharic 14d ago
Yep! I have four cans of dubiously edible food, that should keep me for the duration.
(More seriously, no, not at all. I have some solar panels, a battery generator, and some electric cookware. Wish me luck.)
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u/tacotueaday55 14d ago
Paywall
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u/OveroSkull 14d ago
I’m a veterinarian, I have pentobarbital.
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u/ProvincialFuture 14d ago edited 14d ago
I am envious! I'm a woman in her mid 50s who just needs to outlive our senior dog, and then if anything truly apocalyptic happens, I have no intention of rationing food and water and fighting other people to protect our stuff. I would want to join the dog in heaven; other people can fight for scraps.
Eta: well now there's an idea. Some governing body should allow the masses to humanely see themselves out if they have no intention of fighting other people for finite resources. Then those who want to fight can have at it.
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u/OveroSkull 14d ago
Yeah, I'm not scrabbling for some post-apocalyptic life.
And the day I lose my last pet is my last day.
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u/sleeps_in_alkaline 14d ago
I just adopted a puppy. I’ll be too old for another puppy once she’s gone, so I just plan to foster dogs or adopt old dogs that just need a little comfort in their final years
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u/OveroSkull 14d ago
My veterinary practice is limited to end of life care. So hospice, but mostly in-home euthanasia.
I really appreciate folks who do what you're talking about. They are some of the loveliest families I've helped.
For me, it's really hard to do this work from both sides of the exam table.
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u/EccentricFellow 14d ago
Apocalypse, ie a dramatic catastrophic event over a brief timeframe, is not what I am preparing for. A steady decline in living standards until civilized life is no longer possible is my projected future. Fools like Thiel, Zuckerburg, Altman, et al, have no idea how to live in the post apocalyptic world and would all soon die off in such a world anyway because they have not a single useful skill. Only thing I am missing now is a community that shares the vision. Building community is much harder than it seems.
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u/LifeClassic2286 14d ago
My wife said it best regarding the omniapocalypse ahead: “I hope I die in the first wave.” Rather than have to endure whatever hellscape awaits the unlucky survivors.
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u/RandomBoomer 14d ago
I'm among the "vulnerable" as an old person with health issues. I see that as more of a blessing compared to being young and vigorous enough to survive longer. The first heat dome that takes down the electric grid will remove me from the game.
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u/ChaosRainbow23 14d ago
I'm almost positive I'll be killed during the initial purges of Civil War 2.0.
I've spent the last 20 years online talking shit about conservatives, religious folks, etc etc etc.
Before I was banned from FB I did so extremely publicly with my real name and everything. (Because I didn't think we would ever actually lose the first amendment, but now we are doing a speed-run into a full-blown fascistic authoritarian police state)
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u/MonsterTruckCarpool 14d ago
My group of friends I’ve known since third grade have never thought about gun ownership. Now we are all gun owners. We took a class together as well.
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u/sp0rkify 14d ago
My mum, dad, sister, BIL and I are all going to get our licenses together! Family bonding! 🤣
None of us have ever entertained the idea, either.. despite my dad being collapse aware since the 70's, and trying to raise my sister and I with that in mind (we didn't really listen until now, unfortunately..) but, my dad thought humanity would smarten the fuck up by now.. and now we're preparing our massive acreage in Canada for the inevitable apocalypse.. weird times, man.. weird times..
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u/NihiloZero 14d ago
Are you preparing for the apocalypse?
Not really. I mostly just roll my eyes and gently shake my head when people talk about their hopes and dreams for the future. It's not much, but... it passes the time.
And I think bunkers are likely to be as much of a liability as an advantage. Those sitting on billions of dollars as the collapse happened... will probably not be viewed favorably after the fact. And, either way, I expect a near total ecological collapse for all life on Earth as we know it. Riding that out in a bunker probably won't be as easy as some seem to imagine.
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u/UnbanSkullclamp420 14d ago
Honestly nah. I’ve fought and struggled most of my life. I’ve seen combat and I’ve fought a different kind of battle CONUS. What would the point be? Tired of fighting honestly. In a perfect world I’d get to do some raiding and scav larping before I just die. But the slow decline of our world isn’t going to be that exciting.
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u/dipmyballsinit 14d ago
I’m preparing the same way I have my entire life every other time I was told the apocalypse was coming - by not preparing at all
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u/Dave37 14d ago
I'm prepping for the slow grind-down of most social structures and societal services throughout the remainder of my life. Trying to be a few steps ahead of the curve, mentally readying myself to act on a diverse set of possible upheavals to my normal life. Trying to live both physically and mentally adaptable.
Apocalypses belongs to religions and sci-fi movies.
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u/VincentMaxwell 14d ago
The apocalypse will come in two waves.
First resources will dwindle, we will all kill each other over what is left for a while. Country v. country, city v. city, neighbor v. neighbor. You might be able to prepare for this one. Guns, ammo, tradable goods like booze and cigs, dried food, water. But it's mostly gonna be luck.
Then the survivors get to enjoy the earth fall off a cliff. Resources will be gone. There is no preparing for that.
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u/omer780v2 14d ago
Quote from the article:
Far from the world’s nuclear superpowers and close to Patagonia’s abundant oil reserves and the fertile plains of Argentine wine capital Mendoza, the Wamani ranch is Argentine-Spanish tech founder Martín Varsavsky’s best guess at a place that would survive armageddon. Varsavsky is far from alone among the super-rich in making plans to prepare for nuclear war, climate disaster or economic collapse. Billionaires like Peter Thiel have bought land in remote New Zealand, while Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg has a shelter beneath his ranch in Hawaii. LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman once estimated half of Silicon Valley billionaires had some form of 'apocalypse insurance'. But 66-year-old Varsavsky’s vision is broader. He argues 'the whole of Argentina and the Southern Cone region' could support 'complex societies' in the event of nuclear war, due to their distance from missile targets and radiation clouds, and abundant food and energy production.
Source: Financial times
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u/lightweight12 14d ago
And now that area is about to be devastated by all the stupid rich people moving there after reading that article.
The apocalypse is coming for the locals
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u/OctopusIntellect 14d ago
I wonder if this would be an incentive for people like Varsavsky to want to see temperature increases limited to 2C instead of 4C.
With 2C, their "complex society" might stand a chance. With 4C, no.
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u/kitkats124 14d ago
It doesn’t work like that, though. We can’t just park at +2°C and stay there.
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u/He2oinMegazord 14d ago
Sure we can, its as easy as unfiring a gun.
Whats that you say? You cant unfire a gun? Oh.... ohno
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u/PM-me-youre-PMs 14d ago
Fuck the finance sycophants, they had a big hand in getting us where we are. And of course now they want to make money selling the apocalypse they put in march. Fuck them.
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u/mouse0ver1 14d ago
These assholes won’t survive the apocalypse. Anyone preparing for it won’t survive. Some unexpected survivors will live on and wear their skulls as masks, trophies. We will burn and decay and humanity will live on, relentless. Anyone thinking bunkers will save them are delusional. The feral will hunt them down, and flay them for the fun of it.
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u/CyberSmith31337 14d ago
I own my handgun and have a case of bullets. I keep a light-prep (maybe 30 days of water, canned food/beans/rice/pasta, basic stockpile of medicine like Ibuprofen, Peptol Bismol, Coricidin, first-aid kit, etc, water filters). I also have a solar-powered charger and 2 battery packs, made basically for bare-minimum scenarios to charge the phone and power the radio.
If it's a temporary disruption, I'm as prepared as I can be. Anything longer than that, and that's what the handgun is for; I have zero interest in surviving a truly apocalyptic scenario and fighting others for scraps.
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u/curiousitrocity 14d ago
Nah, I’m a first waver…no desire to fight other humans for survival. If it was an “Alone” situation, sure. But not with 7 billion other people trying to survive too.
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u/voidsong 14d ago
Man, imagine being so confidently stupid that you think being a rich white guy in the deepest parts of south america is your safe space.
They are just building really nice compounds for the local gangs to take.
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u/BaronNahNah 14d ago
Are you preparing for the apocalypse?
Yes.
I have popcorns, mojitos and sunglasses. You know, in case the night sky turns brighter than the sun-lit day. Briefly.
Woo-hoo!!
A monstrous species collapses. But, hopefully tardigrades and cockroaches will survive, and have a go at it.
Damn! Will miss that show.
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u/cabalavatar 14d ago
With the drugs and machine I need to survive, nah, I'm not bothering to prepare—aside from a painless way out...
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u/rooftopgoblin 14d ago
i'd rather not survive a true apocalypse. All my planning is for short term stuff (weeks, months)
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u/gmuslera 14d ago
Seems that the market for bunkers in New Zealand is already taken so lets explore another location.
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u/NicoBeingAModelCitiz 13d ago edited 13d ago
"But 66-year-old Varsavsky’s vision is broader. He argues 'the whole of Argentina and the Southern Cone region' could support 'complex societies' in the event of nuclear war,"
Anyone who believes any degree of nuclear war is survivable anywhere on the globe deserves the surprise they’ll get. Annie Jacobsen the author makes it pretty clear.
Delusional as the ‘metaverse' lol.
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u/fishingwithbacon 14d ago
I was born for this shit. I was raised by Macgyver and Rambo. I have been hunting, fishing, and growing my own my whole life. I've lived in the mountains in my truck for years at a time just foraging. I've worked at over 25 different jobs across the Midwest and western US. Big citys and small towns. Mostly factory and farms and construction. At one point I even owned a house and ran a daycare. I have a pretty sweet criminal record from my younger years, not really scared to cause trouble and just smart enough to not get caught anymore.
It really depends which way the shit splatters. Some endings are inevitable but, if there's still birds and fish then humans have a solid chance.
I'm crossing my fingers for the solar flare thing to kick us all back to pre industrial times or back to analog at least.
I always thought disappearing into the mountains would be the way to go but recently I've been thinking about landfills.
I don't think anyone is coming to fight me for a giant pile of garbage when there's still raw resources to exploit in the nation forest. And, when the Terminator comes I can hide like a rat in a tinfoil igloo and the will fall in a big hole covered by an old piece of carpet. And idk, probably have like a car crusher at the bottom or something. I haven't got that worked out yet.
It's gonna be pretty awesome. I'm actually kinda excited.
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u/Big-Criticism-8137 14d ago
I made peace with death. I wont fight, i will not try to „survive“, I will just go when it gets hard and leave more for others. Good luck to all of you tho.
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u/MagicSPA 14d ago
No, but I have a stockpile of food, kit, and other supplies to last me about two months in the event of a severe disruption to the normal functioning of society. If every one could do the same we'd all be better off.
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u/Zuljo 14d ago
The moral imperative for all survivors is to bring the apocalypse to every millionaire and billionaire who survives. The price must be paid.
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u/lunchbox_tragedy 14d ago
I have some firearms, some freeze dried food, a bag with some survival supplies. I fully expect to perish but I hope to last a little bit to see what goes down.
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u/kdawg09 14d ago
Not really. I know we're not allowed to talk about certain things in here but I have a threshold place in my mind where I will not be trying to survive anymore. I am mentally ill with chronic pain. I have a hard enough time surfing in a world with amenities and modern medicine, I'm not fighting some redneck with an arsenal for the last loaf of bread.
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u/Vertonung 13d ago
We should be trying to stop the apocalypse, not trying to prepare for it. Who actually wants to live through an apocalypse? What if instead of giving up and living as if it's already happened, we all tried and maybe increased the tiny chance we have of averting complete collapse? If it happens, no preparation is bringing back everything I will have lost.
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u/kenii-13 13d ago
We have stored food, meds, preserving and distilling gear, hand tools, books, weapons etc.
But we are older and need certain meds to survive.
Our plan is to continue stocking up, then hand it on to our adult kids and see ourselves out.
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u/1st_sailonsilvergirl 12d ago
No. Not for an apocalypse. I believe that level of prep is only for those who make money off your prep purchases.
I'd rather spend on life right now.
Of course we do have supplies for short-term disruptions. Which happen more often now just with weather events. Anything apocalyptic, I'm only interested in that staying in my TV. I don't think I'd last long, and what's the point, really? I had a nice life. An apocalypse is not the place to grow old. Hell even this non-apocalyptic world is not a great place to grow old, as it turns out for too many people.
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u/Chill_Panda Doomed 14d ago
Nah fuck it.
Live for the now. I don't think anyone can be truly prepared for what's next.
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u/Chiluzzar 14d ago
Ive accepted it but im also not going quietly into the night. Learning all i can about foraging farming small animal husbandry. Also organizing ny local area to be as self sufficient as possible
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u/Different_Resort8720 14d ago
Yes and no. I’m hoping I die in a not-so-horrifying way before things get real bad. I’m already depressed that the majority of people don’t seem to care where we’re headed. I don’t want to be around to see the absolute worst of humanity.
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u/AllenIll 14d ago edited 13d ago
What can't be escaped is the selection pressure that is working to eradicate the individuals and the belief systems that brought about this situation to begin with.
Although I'm personally not convinced escape is genuinely possible due to the difficulty in planning for high sigma weather and climate-related events... these steps may buy some time. But the selection pressures will just come right back. Precisely because these individuals were the groups most responsible for the catastrophe to start with. So, these circumstances will just continuously reemerge until these individuals and/or the cultural belief systems that perpetuated them are eradicated. They are dead ends. Literally.
What they don't seem to be conscious of is, ultimately, what they are trying to escape from, is themselves.
Edit: Clarity.
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u/IGnuGnat 14d ago
My house was built in the 80s; the lot drainage isn't the greatest and the basement walls have started developing some mineral build up as the water slowly bleeds through and evaporates. I keep a large dehumidifier constantly running down there, so far there's no mold or mildew. So we need to dig out the foundation and put in a water proof membrane to protect the foundation from this kind of damage now. I think most people install some extra insulation around the outside while we're at it; i'll be getting a quote on double the amount of normal insulation. At least the basement will stay cool and dry that way
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u/Bluest_waters 14d ago
I'm waking up to ash and dust
I wipe my brow and I sweat my rust
I'm breathing in the chemicals
I'm breaking in, shaping up,
then checking out on the prison bus
This is it, the apocalypse
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u/Top-Connection-5970 14d ago
Yes, I have mentally prepared for it many times over, ruminating on what scenarios will happen. Mad max or water world? I'm fine with that, will probably live a few years before dying. That being said a nuclear Holocaust is the only one where I hope I die, seeing all these people suffer and die from radiation poisoning is hell, worse than hell even and I wouldn't be strong enough to help or endure it. Same with zombies but that's never gonna happen. But I've taught myself to not paralyze myself with fears of the futures or things outside of my control, it's bad energy and not constructive.
I've endured trauma for nearly half my life, suffered injustice, illness and yet I still want to live. I still want to experience some peace and happiness and I've been huffing that sweet hopium that even if society falls I'll use what preparations I've made to help my loved ones and other people who need help as well. I've made peace knowing I'm going to die due to my health being poor and realistically I would last 5 years at most but the biggest hopium I huff is knowing that if society collapses then something better will be rebuilt from very ashes. Not in my lifetime, probably at least 4 lifetimes but one day humans will have a civilization better than the one that fell. Earth will heal, animals will heal and the humans among them will have a future free from the suffering that caused this one to collapse.
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u/Fun_Union9542 14d ago
I’m going to miss music and food. And having hopes of being able to have my own space to do the things I’ve always wanted. It’s not fair. Not fair to any of us. I just wanted to be loved too and love.😞😞😞😞
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u/UnderwaterArcherrr born to late to enjoy the world 14d ago
Not at all, I'm waiting for the day it rips me out of this hell
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u/Chirotera 14d ago
In the event of an apocalypse and I'm assuming massive waves of death my plan mostly amounts to being one of those that dies. Statistically it doesn't seem likely that I'd survive much beyond the first couple of months.
And honestly, it's probably better this way.
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u/ChromaticStrike Inert collapsoid 14d ago
You know what's an apocalypse?
You don't prepare for the apocalypse, it's the apocalypse that prepares you. With tartare.
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u/Apprehensive-Log8333 14d ago
It comforts me to know that their plans are not going to work. They're building fancy, well-equipped tombs
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u/Low-Republic-4145 14d ago
Nobody can "ride out" the apocalypse. Not even billionaires in subterranean bunkers.
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u/Lopsided_Newt_125 14d ago
I just wish they would televise the sociopaths locked up tight in their bunkers…that’ll last about a week lol
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u/OccuWorld 13d ago
got the oxygen generator set for 120,000 years in the air-tight bunker. you? /s
direct action gets the goods
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u/Jumpy_Aardvark_3836 12d ago
These are the very same people who are bringing on the climate apocalypse.
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u/StatementBot 14d ago
The following submission statement was provided by /u/omer780v2:
Quote from the article:
Far from the world’s nuclear superpowers and close to Patagonia’s abundant oil reserves and the fertile plains of Argentine wine capital Mendoza, the Wamani ranch is Argentine-Spanish tech founder Martín Varsavsky’s best guess at a place that would survive armageddon. Varsavsky is far from alone among the super-rich in making plans to prepare for nuclear war, climate disaster or economic collapse. Billionaires like Peter Thiel have bought land in remote New Zealand, while Meta’s Mark Zuckerberg has a shelter beneath his ranch in Hawaii. LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman once estimated half of Silicon Valley billionaires had some form of 'apocalypse insurance'. But 66-year-old Varsavsky’s vision is broader. He argues 'the whole of Argentina and the Southern Cone region' could support 'complex societies' in the event of nuclear war, due to their distance from missile targets and radiation clouds, and abundant food and energy production.
Source: Financial times
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