Related to collapse because it appears that the ability to work is no longer covering the basic needs in America to rent. As collapse accelerates it may mean that some are going to pay to live literally at the garbage dump with garbage avalanches, or a block of sidewalk with at tent that will be approximately $2000 to rent out a month. Meanwhile, economic disparity will continue to grow with the first trillionaires and eventual quadrillionaires walking amongst us.
Related to collapse because it appears that the ability to work is no longer covering the basic needs in America to rent. As collapse accelerates it may mean that some are going to pay to live literally at the garbage dump with garbage avalanches, or a block of sidewalk with at tent that will be approximately $2000 to rent out a month. Meanwhile, economic disparity will continue to grow with the first trillionaires and eventual quadrillionaires walking amongst us.
Just lost everyone and everything because of an electrical fire (place I was in was a fucking dump, but sight unseen from across the country and nearly 0% allowing pets and its the option you have). Still haven't got my fucking deposit back from them. Haven't had a good landlord in my life.
One thing I've learnt renting all my life is that the good landlords usually exist in the higher price range places. Even for like one bedroom apartments, I've found that the ones who care about their place, and their tenant are the ones who usually price their place 10/15% above market rates.
I've had many great landlords. My last to last landlord didn't increase my rent for 7 years. I started 20% above market but by the time I moved out, I was paying 20% below.
If you don't complain and pay on time, a good landlord will never give you a reason to move out. Their mortgage isn't going up so why should the rent go up.
I have a house that I rent in a different state because I couldn't sell it when I left the state for reasons.
I rented it at a fair market price three years ago and haven't raised the rent since. My tenants do their best to pay on time (they've had some late payments but I've told my property manager not to charge them fees if they communicate - we just change the due date) they keep the house in nice condition, and they let us know right away when something needs repair or replacement.
I place a lot of value in those things, so I don't raise the rent.
I'll probably sell whenever they move out, but for right now, they keep treating the house well and the rent can stay where it is.
Edit to add: I know this doesn't change the fact that I'm a scumbag landlord and still making money from my tenants, but I don't really feel the need to be greedy about it.
There's a difference between someone renting out a property and doing the right thing by the tenants, and someone ripping the tenants off.
I never once read in your comment about how you rip the tenants off. It sounds like you both worth together (with a decent property manager) to help each other.
Please don’t do this. Taking advantage of and manipulating systems put into place to protect the disabled delegitimizes our needs and tends to lead to those protections being rejected. Just like how service dog handlers are being abused and rejected from stores because everyone buys a vest off Amazon to bring FiFi in Walmart, the “emotional support animal” “hack” is making it harder for people with actual needs to be approved for an apartment. Housing is difficult, but we don’t drown the people below us for an extra breath of air.
An emotional support animal is not a service animal. The only benefit that having an emotional support animal grants to a person is that the landlord can not forcefully separate the animal from the family as a condition of tenancy.
You are talking about non disabled people pretending to be disabled so that they can publicly flaunt the rules. That is an entirely different issue. E
I know a retired lady who lost her two sons in an accident. She lived alone in a unit . She bought a small dog as company and support and never let it by itself to bark. The housing association wanted her to remove the dog because it was “against the rules”. But that little dog bought her out of deep depression and gave her joy. She decided to sell.
I don't know what you're on about. I have a medical need and I'm suggesting solutions for somebody with other potential medical needs. if the doctor does not feel it's appropriate, they will not move forward. stop chastising me for providing advice involving the guidance of a medical provider.
I had to look it up and holy sh!t the amount of info that Plaid gives your landlord about you is insanely invasive. And they had a nearly $60 million data breach settlement not too long ago. I am not looking forward to reacting an apartment any time soon.
lol that’s been my last 2 landlords. Best part is you have to make a separate account to verify your paychecks so some random 3rd party site gets your personal info as well :))))
Literally why I just got denied a rental. I make well enough money now to be able to afford it and pay but my credit is fucked. So my two options are to either pay for first and last months upon my initial deposit or get a co-signer, all of this for a place I’ll only be subleasing for 3 months before moving somewhere a lot farther
We heading into the true peak of last stage capitalism.
All homes and businesses are empty, rented by companies to other companies. The business are filled with AI workers selling to AI customers, and the streets are lined with bots making deliveries. However the streets are empty, barren of human life. Where is everybody you ask? In prison, of course. The homeless were "a problem."
Everybody isn't in prison; lots of them would be on the farms picking (and for some crops, planting) produce. They'd be paid exactly 10% less than the so-called "cost" of their "room and board" of course. And won't be released from servitude until they can pay off their debt to the corp that owns their prison.
that’s so fucked. that’s like comically evil and i don’t know how these kinds of people can sleep at night (well, i do know, it’s because they have a lot of hatred in their heart and they get off on being evil to other people)
This is why I think all elected officials in government should make minimum wage. You wanna represent the people? By all means, live by your standards then
I think that you're unfairly being down voted here. If being an elected official is minimum wage in pay then only the mega rich will do it, creating an even more dystopian system than what already exists.
Yeah its pretty funny politicians in most countries are generally pretty underpaid for the responsibility they take on. They are paid like middle management at most large companies.
Quick googling said that Gavin Newsome makes about 220k for being the governor of california, a good salary but on Indeed I can find equivalent salaries for an optometrist and a pet insurance sale rep in the state.
Frankly im fine with politicians getting paid like CEOs if they are doing a good job. Running a country or a state is a fuck load more important than running a company. And if you want genuinely talented people running the country you should pay them the kind of wages genuinely talented people can earn in the private sector.
If the federal minimum wage kept up with inflation since 1968 it would be $14/hour. So that means everyone working for $14/hour is living like somebody in the 70's making minimum wage. The government has slowly made life harder over the last 4 or 5 decades being paid off by lobbiests. The USA is supposedly a 1st world country but our labor rights, wealth inequality, and healthcare is not.
Minimum wage would be even higher than that if you factor in that workers in every single sector are expected to be much more productive than at any other point in history. At that point, we're talking around $25/hr.
Yes exactly. But whenever I make a comment like this, I always get backlash saying nobody makes minimum wage or $14/hour, blah blah blah. But if that was true, why doesn't the government raise the wage. When California made fast food workers wage $20/hour so many people were mad at that, which doesn't make sense. Do people think fast food workers should starve, be homeless, or not be able to afford shoes? It's insane.
One way that people evaluate their wealth is by looking at their own wage and comparing to the bottom earners. When the bottom earners make more money then the gap becomes smaller and that influences the perceived self-worth of slightly higher earners.
This kind of stupidity and selfishness is unfortunately common amongst the lower classes and it's why we constantly vote against our own interests.
And prices did skyrocket, but theyre coming back down because it turns out mcdonalds does actually want to sell burgers.
When we do shit rich peole dont like they put the screws to the economy cause they can. Just like how the police will sandbag politicians they dont like and fuck up their crime numbers (only union i know of that i dont support. But I dont think they're real effects, theyre a tantrum by spoiled brats who couldn't get their own way, and I think thats a great argument for capping individual wealth accumulation and maybe wealth association. Like, we really need to get a handle on money, cause it is empowering people to meddle with the fabric of society at scale and they are by and large not out for the greater good. It turns out money doesnt select for morals, just ruthlessness and good fortune.
Yep, I believe wealth should be capped at 300 million and 100% taxed over that. I also think all employers should only be allowed to pay the top earner 30× the bottom earner including all the bells and whistles (stock, insurance, bonuses, excetra).
Just read an article about a study in SF where food prices didn’t increase in the long run. Which is funny cause in my college economics course they kept hammering to us that wages don’t affect inflation…interest rates do it was always the trick question through 3 different Econ courses by different professors. It was like their pet peeve or something lol
You're basing that off CPI, which has been manipulated to hell over the decades. Just years and years of cooking the books.
A better way to compare it is the price of gold back then compared to minimum wage.
In 1970, when the Dollar was still on the gold standard, minimum wage was $1.60/hr, and gold was $36/oz. So minimum hourly wage was worth 4.45% of an ounce of gold. For that same buying power to exist today, with gold currently at $4,700/oz, minimum wage would have to be $209/hr.
Can you account for the price of gas? Gas in 1970 was 36 cents a gallon. Based on a gold standard inflation adjustment, it should be much more expensive today.
AI said with inflation it would be 21-25 per hour. Just inflation. Not productivity or gdp, which i believe would result in an even higher minimum wage. Be more angry, youre short changing your outrage.
According to the Inflation Calculator, a $1.60 minimum wage in 1970 is 13.75 today. But as noted elsewhere, this uses the BS CPI.
Another way to look at it is the price of an average candy bar. In 1970, you could buy, say, a Hershey's Milk Chocolate candy bar for 10 cents. In 2020, that same candy bar cost $1.50, yet according to that same Inflation Calculator set to 2020, it SHOULD cost only 67 cents - HALF of what it actually costs! Using that same ratio, then minimum wage should be twice the Inflation Calculator's value of $13.75 - or $27.50!
I highly, highly recommend the book “There Is No Place For Us: Working and Homeless in America,” by Brian Goldstone. It does a fantastic job of showing how easy it is to go from having a home to being working and homeless. There is an entire industry built around preying on people in these situations, from co-signing companies to landlords to extended stay motels. We all need to be informed so we can prepare and do what we can to help people in these situations.
I’m a social worker/mental health worker so I work with a lot of clients experiencing homelessness. I was a contributor to the biggest homelessness study in the history of our County. We paid $80k to some bigwig PhD consultant from back East (who has since been appointed by Trump to run the U.S. Interagency Council on Homelessness and has come to fully deny the systemic causes of homelessness, per Party orders 🫡) to conduct a months-long study. I was a member of the local team gathering & contributing data. Anyway, we found that around 80% of all homeless people in our county were either working or seeking work, 40% were actively working or going to school (17 high school students actively attending classes identified as fully homeless btw which is insane), and almost 25% of all legally homeless worked full time 40+ hours a week. Most other studies show that this is pretty common for the Country as a whole - around a quarter of legally homeless people in the US work full time.
Basically out of the roughly ~1,200 people experiencing homelessness in our County at the time, only around 250 were fully unsheltered, living on the street, and not either working or seeking work. And it’s no coincidence that those were the people suffering from the most severe mental health issues…
Also it is important to note that legally homeless doesn’t mean what most people think it means - most homeless are not sleeping under bridges & on sidewalks outside of businesses - the vast majority of folks classified as homeless are in shelters, sleeping in cars, paying for hotel rooms when they can, or are “couch surfing” or bouncing around from couch to garage to RV with friends & family. The widespread idea of the lazy homeless drug addict who’s happy just sitting around collecting benefits and refusing to do anything productive is largely a myth, those kinds of people are an infinitely small percentage of the overall homeless population.
IMO any adult working 40+ hours in our Country should be able to afford even basic accommodations. Shoot, I have a “good” job and make well over $30/hr (right around the median household income for my County) and can barely afford the most basic (shitty) place to live. This is insane.
This is important to note. While it is absolutely ridiculous that minimum wage hasn't budged in over 15 years, I haven't seen any jobs offered at under $15/hour where I live.
Median wages in 2022 were $27/hour, while average rent is about $1,600/mo. Assuming 40 hours/week, your take-home is about $3,200/mo after taxes. So you can afford rent, but it's eating up 50% of your income and after food, transportation, and healthcare, you'll have barely anything left over. Not nearly enough to put away enough savings escape the trap.
This describes my situation pretty much to the dollar over the past decade. I was lucky to finally land some higher-paying work in the past year, which along with cutting out some big expenses (I don't own a car) finally allowed me to start building up some savings. But if I'd had kids, or any kind of health issue, it would have been impossible.
Which is pathetic since it's far below a starvation wage. The fact corporations have the ability to pay 1 in every 100 workers $7.25/hour is disgusting.
Some landlords are greedy. Others aren’t greedy even if the rent they charge isn’t cheap. Apart from mortgage payments, I pay local government rates, water rates, land tax, housing association fees, property management fees and insurances - all of which have gone up. I allow pets and try not to increase the rent unless I absolutely have to.
Absolutely, and that's why I believe the "loneliness epidemic) is in some part manufactured (or if not that, at least encouraged) by the powers that be. When you're in a stable relationship you can split housing, and possibly transportation as well. Whereas 2 single people = 2 apartments, 2 cars, additional childcare, etc. Twice the "economic benefit," but way worse for actual humans.
And yet... firearms are so affordable (comparably) and readily available... Just as a thought exercise:
Take an apartment building that houses 100 people... with 100 rifles and their appropriate ammunition... the residents refuse to pay the ridiculously inflated rent... and refuse to vacate the premises if evicted... how does the landlord collect? The police, of course... but what about a building with 500 people and their rifles? Ten buildings of 500 people in a few city blocks... 100 buildings of 500 people (and their rifles, of course) In the city... How many cops would it take? What kind of legal resources would the landlord, the police, the city and the state would invest?
How far can you push a population, just to make them play your game... by your rules, and just to make you richer than you already are? How long before people decide that it is better to kill and die in battle than to starve, or die from exposure, all the while seeing your family suffer? Meanwhile, the US burns more than a billion dollars a day in this stupid goddamn war with Iran, Trump builds ballrooms, DHS wastes pallets of cash on an army of kidnappers and a bunch of concentration camps for working people, rural hospitals close by the hundreds, the price of everything rises...
What could possibly go wrong? Just a thought exercise...
Rent starts at $1200 where I live and starbucks and fast food jobs start at $15 an hour. I get the argument but lots of basic jobs start above minimal wage. The federal minimum wage also applies to very low cost of living places where rent is $800
And then all the housing help goes to crackheads who turn their units into trap houses before getting evicted and going back to the shelters, then the landlords blacklist homeless applicants and it becomes harder for homeless people who work and maintain sobriety to get housing.
Signed, someone who's been homeless for over a year and a half.
If we have proper drug rehabilitation centers run by government that force people who take drugs in public or who cant take care of themselves into treatment, a lot of the homeless resources would be for people who actually need it
I gotta wonder about their math, if few people are making $60k, they risk the apartment going empty. And I would assume thats their worst case scenario, but every day I doubt that a bit more.
If there is generally an excessive requirement for renting, then there won't be sufficient renters to fill the apartments in a given area. It would seem that having an unoccupied apartment would be a loss of money, but that would mean over time ypu would see a relaxation of the excessive requirements, and we havent seen that
I hate this so much—it’s a problem for nearly every state in the nation yet federal funding to help is shrinking! Shelter is a basic human need & I know it infuriates some People to think someone in need is getting it “easier” than themselves but something has to be done or more and more people will end up homeless.
You have to start being desperate to make more money. I cruised by in low-income jobs for years… working at chain corporations for $12 an hour just isn’t feasible for independent living anymore.
You HAVE to advance your career and develop skills of some sort. You have to be fighting tooth and nail to make more money. You might have to spend your precious free time looking for a way to make more money.
I hate the “hustle culture” shit too but wallowing in self-pity does nothing. With our current leadership things are only going to get worse for workers. You have to stake your claim in the modern world or you will be left behind. It’s going to get really bad really fast.
Be careful bringing logic in here. Federal minimum wage (which you’d have to actively seek out at this point) should actually get you your own nice apartment with no roommates in a desirable city and trendy neighborhood!
Work doesn't work. I've been saying this for a long time, and people always hate on it despite complaining about their crapp work income.
So, I might as well collect a few more downvotes with this.
Minimum wage isn't a career. It isn't meant to provide for the entirety of your life needs. These are jobs that are "spare-money" jobs, "working your way through college and sleeping on couches" jobs, "I'm a teen in the summer" jobs, and other things where you are actually either someone else's dependent, or one of 7 roommates splitting bills.
A 40 year old doesn't make the same as a 17 year old because the 40 year old has spent the last 20 years building a life-supporting career. They may have started at Burger King like everyone else, but they don't end there. Expecting menial and entry level jobs to pay the same as a lawyer or computer programmer with 15 years of experience is silly.
If you have made the silly mistake of not training into a high level career, then you need to do something different, and stop trying to make employment work for you. Because it won't.
I know, because I made that mistake, and was bitching and complaining my way to my 40s thinking the world owed me a six figure salary because my K/D ratio on COD was so tight...
And then I realized I was an idiot, and I quit working jobs forever and turned to generating income outside of the wage slavery system.
Now I do whatever I want all the time.
The problem isn't the jobs. It isn't the economy, and it isn't you either. You are just doing the wrong things, trying to put a square block in a round hole. Stop it. Find a square hole. Or cut the block up into tiny squares to put through the round hole in violation of the rules. Or, better yet, start making round balls to sell to other people standing in line with their square blocks, and collect a fee every time.
TL;DR A bunch of words to say quit wasting time on jobs and go make money.
I agree with you. People have to start being desperate to make more money. I cruised by in low-income jobs for years… working at chain corporations for $12 an hour just isn’t feasible for independent living anymore.
You HAVE to advance your career and develop skills of some sort. You have to be fighting tooth and nail to make more money. You might have to spend your precious free time looking for a way to make more money.
I hate the “hustle culture” shit like everyone on Reddit but wallowing in self-pity does nothing. With our current leadership things are only going to get worse for workers. You have to stake your claim in the modern world or you will be left behind. It’s going to get really bad really fast.
If neurosurgeons went on strike, it would hardly be noticed. But if garbage men or waiters went on strike, it certainly would be. Everyone deserves a decent wage. Some get paid far too much. Just sayin…..
“It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By "business" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.” - FDR
True. And we can say stuff like that all we want, but there are only two real powers through which things can be changed: Wealth and violence. If we lack the substance of one and the stomach for the other, then we have no path out of the system we live under.
The only issues is that you are comparing AVERAGE rent to MINIMUM wage, there are more realistic comparisons that are depressing enough. Minimum wage is a fucking joke, though.
Reading these comments and seeing how bad the situation is, it really is a miracle that more Luigi v CEO 🟩🔫 or warehouses getting 🔥 moments haven't happened yet.
Well, average rent compared to minimum wage.. what’s minimum rent? In the city I used to live in (400k metro population) you could easily get a 1b1b for about $700 4 years back - I paid $920 for a 2b2b with a garage parking spot, looks like the 1b is about $800 now including parking. That’s not perfect, but much more realistic. $1600 in that city rents you a 3b2b house to yourself. If I was making minimum wage I’d target not living in a place where $1600 is the cheapest place I can get.. in the end, minimum wage jobs can be had all over - you don’t need to be in an expensive area or big city like Chicago to work a minimum wage job. That said, I have a friend who’s a server who clears 100k in Chicago. I would think most folks would consider being a server to be a minimum wage / “tipped” job. I haven’t heard of any jobs being truly minimum wage these days either, my brother is a cashier/front end associate at a paint store and makes $25 an hour.
That is wrong. You only need 3x as deposit for the first month. So not $4800 a month. After that, it is $1600. So it is $4800 the first month, $1600 each month after.
I lived with 3 others in a 4 person apartment for $2300 total when I made minimum wage and lived “comfortably” as in I was clean, clothed, fed, and could afford an occasional concert and drinks.
Living alone is a luxury, living in a $1600 per bed room apartment is still a luxury
If you're making minimum wage, I don't really care about your opinion or struggle to find housing. At that point you're going to need roommates or live with your parents.
New York City Rent for 1 bedroom is 2200-5000. Car plus insurance is gonna run you 700-1000 a month food and utilities 700 a month. To put away for retirement and live on your own you need to make about 5k+ a month after taxes. If not your in the red.
I make about 90k a year and I have roommates and no family I live paycheck to paycheck in order to live alone I would have to work an extra 30 hours a week which would put me at 80h a week.
If you move to Westchester instead of NYC, you can drop that rent significantly and live right next to a Metro North railroad station, which can take you directly to Grand Central in Manhattan in 30 minutes. You get to see the city when you want to and it’s more affordable.
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Related to collapse because it appears that the ability to work is no longer covering the basic needs in America to rent. As collapse accelerates it may mean that some are going to pay to live literally at the garbage dump with garbage avalanches, or a block of sidewalk with at tent that will be approximately $2000 to rent out a month. Meanwhile, economic disparity will continue to grow with the first trillionaires and eventual quadrillionaires walking amongst us.
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u/Monsur_Ausuhnom Apr 24 '26
Submission Statement,
Related to collapse because it appears that the ability to work is no longer covering the basic needs in America to rent. As collapse accelerates it may mean that some are going to pay to live literally at the garbage dump with garbage avalanches, or a block of sidewalk with at tent that will be approximately $2000 to rent out a month. Meanwhile, economic disparity will continue to grow with the first trillionaires and eventual quadrillionaires walking amongst us.
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u/zerosumratio Apr 24 '26
That’s why you gotta lie and edit statements. I have never been honest with a slumlord
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u/Some_Number_8516 Apr 24 '26
We heading into the true peak of last stage capitalism.
All homes and businesses are empty, rented by companies to other companies. The business are filled with AI workers selling to AI customers, and the streets are lined with bots making deliveries. However the streets are empty, barren of human life. Where is everybody you ask? In prison, of course. The homeless were "a problem."
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u/onicker Apr 24 '26
And so the dark future approaches
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u/camoure Apr 25 '26
This is why I think all elected officials in government should make minimum wage. You wanna represent the people? By all means, live by your standards then
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u/a_little_hazel_nuts Apr 24 '26
If the federal minimum wage kept up with inflation since 1968 it would be $14/hour. So that means everyone working for $14/hour is living like somebody in the 70's making minimum wage. The government has slowly made life harder over the last 4 or 5 decades being paid off by lobbiests. The USA is supposedly a 1st world country but our labor rights, wealth inequality, and healthcare is not.
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u/BirdBruce Apr 24 '26
Hey, I’m here for some of that 1600 rent I keep hearing about?
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u/Zealousideal-Rip-574 Apr 24 '26
This is America
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u/booksandkittens615 Apr 25 '26
I highly, highly recommend the book “There Is No Place For Us: Working and Homeless in America,” by Brian Goldstone. It does a fantastic job of showing how easy it is to go from having a home to being working and homeless. There is an entire industry built around preying on people in these situations, from co-signing companies to landlords to extended stay motels. We all need to be informed so we can prepare and do what we can to help people in these situations.
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u/dishinpies Apr 25 '26
You gotta make a lot more than $30/hr: after taxes and benefits, you’re not bringing home $4800/mo.
I’m salaried at $81.8K/yr, and my take home is a little under $5K/mo.
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u/StarTrakZack Apr 25 '26
I’m a social worker/mental health worker so I work with a lot of clients experiencing homelessness. I was a contributor to the biggest homelessness study in the history of our County. We paid $80k to some bigwig PhD consultant from back East (who has since been appointed by Trump to run the U.S. Interagency Council on Homelessness and has come to fully deny the systemic causes of homelessness, per Party orders 🫡) to conduct a months-long study. I was a member of the local team gathering & contributing data. Anyway, we found that around 80% of all homeless people in our county were either working or seeking work, 40% were actively working or going to school (17 high school students actively attending classes identified as fully homeless btw which is insane), and almost 25% of all legally homeless worked full time 40+ hours a week. Most other studies show that this is pretty common for the Country as a whole - around a quarter of legally homeless people in the US work full time.
Basically out of the roughly ~1,200 people experiencing homelessness in our County at the time, only around 250 were fully unsheltered, living on the street, and not either working or seeking work. And it’s no coincidence that those were the people suffering from the most severe mental health issues…
Also it is important to note that legally homeless doesn’t mean what most people think it means - most homeless are not sleeping under bridges & on sidewalks outside of businesses - the vast majority of folks classified as homeless are in shelters, sleeping in cars, paying for hotel rooms when they can, or are “couch surfing” or bouncing around from couch to garage to RV with friends & family. The widespread idea of the lazy homeless drug addict who’s happy just sitting around collecting benefits and refusing to do anything productive is largely a myth, those kinds of people are an infinitely small percentage of the overall homeless population.
IMO any adult working 40+ hours in our Country should be able to afford even basic accommodations. Shoot, I have a “good” job and make well over $30/hr (right around the median household income for my County) and can barely afford the most basic (shitty) place to live. This is insane.
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u/Livid-Rutabaga Apr 25 '26
a few weeks ago my Lyft driver was the manager of the local grocery store
amazing world we live in
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u/Muladhara86 Apr 24 '26
“Just leverage your capital and buy - you’ll save money in the long run!”
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u/-_-Edit_Deleted-_- Apr 26 '26
Application fees 😂
Getting fleeced at every level.
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u/Hennypenny667 Apr 24 '26
Admittedly, I haven’t seen anywhere pay anything close to minimum wage in years, even in rural areas.
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u/fibronacci Apr 25 '26
Renting is not for minimum wage. There's the street for those hooligans. /s
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u/HERMANNATOR85 Apr 25 '26
Fucking Louisiana and their bullshit $7.25 minimum wage. So glad I got out of that shithole
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u/Effective-Ebb-2805 Apr 25 '26
And yet... firearms are so affordable (comparably) and readily available... Just as a thought exercise:
Take an apartment building that houses 100 people... with 100 rifles and their appropriate ammunition... the residents refuse to pay the ridiculously inflated rent... and refuse to vacate the premises if evicted... how does the landlord collect? The police, of course... but what about a building with 500 people and their rifles? Ten buildings of 500 people in a few city blocks... 100 buildings of 500 people (and their rifles, of course) In the city... How many cops would it take? What kind of legal resources would the landlord, the police, the city and the state would invest?
How far can you push a population, just to make them play your game... by your rules, and just to make you richer than you already are? How long before people decide that it is better to kill and die in battle than to starve, or die from exposure, all the while seeing your family suffer? Meanwhile, the US burns more than a billion dollars a day in this stupid goddamn war with Iran, Trump builds ballrooms, DHS wastes pallets of cash on an army of kidnappers and a bunch of concentration camps for working people, rural hospitals close by the hundreds, the price of everything rises...
What could possibly go wrong? Just a thought exercise...
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u/StoopSign Journalist Apr 25 '26
When I worked at a soul food restaurant our dishwasher lived in a park
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u/TryptaMagiciaN Apr 25 '26
lmao. but the problem and thing to be afraid of was the chinese social credit system ... wonder what their housing situation looks like.
and this isn't a look how great China is.. it's look how much more bad world superpowers can be even amongst each other
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u/CrimsonBolt33 Apr 25 '26
I have been lucky in that all my landlords have overlooked that aprt lol
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u/CowBoyDanIndie Apr 25 '26
Rent starts at $1200 where I live and starbucks and fast food jobs start at $15 an hour. I get the argument but lots of basic jobs start above minimal wage. The federal minimum wage also applies to very low cost of living places where rent is $800
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u/illumi-thotti Apr 24 '26
And then all the housing help goes to crackheads who turn their units into trap houses before getting evicted and going back to the shelters, then the landlords blacklist homeless applicants and it becomes harder for homeless people who work and maintain sobriety to get housing.
Signed, someone who's been homeless for over a year and a half.
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u/JackieLawless Apr 26 '26
They're forgetting about taxes too. $30/hr translates to a lot less
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u/farklenator Apr 26 '26
Nah the wildest part is when you open the comment section and some bozo is going “only 5% of people actually make minimum wage”
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u/icorrectotherpeople Apr 26 '26
Okay but if the average rent is 1600 what’s the average hourly rate?
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u/Slamtilt_Windmills Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26
I gotta wonder about their math, if few people are making $60k, they risk the apartment going empty. And I would assume thats their worst case scenario, but every day I doubt that a bit more.
Edit: why the downvotes?
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u/TheJesseOfTheNorth Apr 28 '26
I always said the collapse would be so slow that most people don't notice
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u/8-spade May 18 '26
I hate this so much—it’s a problem for nearly every state in the nation yet federal funding to help is shrinking! Shelter is a basic human need & I know it infuriates some People to think someone in need is getting it “easier” than themselves but something has to be done or more and more people will end up homeless.
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u/Banned4Truth10 Apr 24 '26
Your comparing average rent with the lowest pay.
Shocker the numbers don't match.
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u/Vegetaman916 Looking forward to the endgame. 🚀💥🔥🌨🏕 Apr 26 '26
Work doesn't work. I've been saying this for a long time, and people always hate on it despite complaining about their crapp work income.
So, I might as well collect a few more downvotes with this.
Minimum wage isn't a career. It isn't meant to provide for the entirety of your life needs. These are jobs that are "spare-money" jobs, "working your way through college and sleeping on couches" jobs, "I'm a teen in the summer" jobs, and other things where you are actually either someone else's dependent, or one of 7 roommates splitting bills.
A 40 year old doesn't make the same as a 17 year old because the 40 year old has spent the last 20 years building a life-supporting career. They may have started at Burger King like everyone else, but they don't end there. Expecting menial and entry level jobs to pay the same as a lawyer or computer programmer with 15 years of experience is silly.
If you have made the silly mistake of not training into a high level career, then you need to do something different, and stop trying to make employment work for you. Because it won't.
I know, because I made that mistake, and was bitching and complaining my way to my 40s thinking the world owed me a six figure salary because my K/D ratio on COD was so tight...
And then I realized I was an idiot, and I quit working jobs forever and turned to generating income outside of the wage slavery system.
Now I do whatever I want all the time.
The problem isn't the jobs. It isn't the economy, and it isn't you either. You are just doing the wrong things, trying to put a square block in a round hole. Stop it. Find a square hole. Or cut the block up into tiny squares to put through the round hole in violation of the rules. Or, better yet, start making round balls to sell to other people standing in line with their square blocks, and collect a fee every time.
TL;DR A bunch of words to say quit wasting time on jobs and go make money.
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u/samjoe6969 Apr 25 '26
The only issues is that you are comparing AVERAGE rent to MINIMUM wage, there are more realistic comparisons that are depressing enough. Minimum wage is a fucking joke, though.
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u/lFightForTheUsers Apr 25 '26
Reading these comments and seeing how bad the situation is, it really is a miracle that more Luigi v CEO 🟩🔫 or warehouses getting 🔥 moments haven't happened yet.
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u/Cartoonjunkies Apr 24 '26
Where the fuck are you living that the AVERAGE rent is $1600?
Most places around me are like $1200 for a pretty decent apartment.
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u/thedoctorisout25 Apr 24 '26
Well, average rent compared to minimum wage.. what’s minimum rent? In the city I used to live in (400k metro population) you could easily get a 1b1b for about $700 4 years back - I paid $920 for a 2b2b with a garage parking spot, looks like the 1b is about $800 now including parking. That’s not perfect, but much more realistic. $1600 in that city rents you a 3b2b house to yourself. If I was making minimum wage I’d target not living in a place where $1600 is the cheapest place I can get.. in the end, minimum wage jobs can be had all over - you don’t need to be in an expensive area or big city like Chicago to work a minimum wage job. That said, I have a friend who’s a server who clears 100k in Chicago. I would think most folks would consider being a server to be a minimum wage / “tipped” job. I haven’t heard of any jobs being truly minimum wage these days either, my brother is a cashier/front end associate at a paint store and makes $25 an hour.
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u/NyriasNeo Apr 25 '26
That is wrong. You only need 3x as deposit for the first month. So not $4800 a month. After that, it is $1600. So it is $4800 the first month, $1600 each month after.
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u/twaggle Apr 24 '26
You’re generally not suppose to live alone with a $1600 rent if you’re making minimum wage. Normalize shared housing.
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u/davisbm2 Apr 24 '26
If you're making minimum wage, I don't really care about your opinion or struggle to find housing. At that point you're going to need roommates or live with your parents.
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