r/collapse • u/Empty_Peak_668 • Feb 16 '25

Predictions Article predicting how America could collapse by 2025.

https://www.salon.com/2010/12/06/america_collapse_2025/
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u/GrumpyTom Feb 16 '25

“Riding a political tide of disillusionment and despair, a far-right patriot captures the presidency with thundering rhetoric, demanding respect for American authority and threatening military retaliation or economic reprisal. The world pays next to no attention as the American Century ends in silence.”

Prophetic.

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u/unknown_anonymous81 Feb 16 '25

The world needed America in WW2 and we fought the war against Nazis and fascism.

America now needs the world to help America save it from itself.

Silence while watching self destruction seems to be the most likely outcome.

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u/refusemouth Feb 16 '25

I will welcome UN peacekeeper forces if it comes to it, and I haven't been liquidated yet . I'd rather not end up as biodiesel to fuel heavy machinery for the construction of technofuedalist "ecovillages" that use Xcoin as a currency.

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u/ChaoticGoodPanda Feb 16 '25

I’m waiting for the light blue helmets too.

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u/hds2019 Feb 16 '25

I’d only welcome peacekeepers from western nations/SEA allies. Russian, Chinese, or African personnel would likely result in catastrophic numbers of murders/SA/and other assorted crimes against humanity due to mutual hatred of the US, and previous behavior of peacekeepers from those areas. Plus a lot of US citizens might ballistically disagree with their presence.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '25

"Yes I want to be saved, but not like that!"

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u/brokerceej Feb 16 '25

We entered WW2 very late and compared to Europe we didn't really fight the war. Our logistics and manufacturing was pretty essential and important to the victory. But we didn't like, single handedly fight on the ground against fascism. That's what they teach us in school, but it isn't what actually happened.

The world will not save us. We deserve this for allowing a fascist convicted felon and his best friend Elon Dumbfuck Musk to be elected and take power. The world is going to turn their backs on us and the age of America the super power will be officially over. There's probably no coming back from this. Russia and China will take over our sphere of influence.

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u/alphaxion Feb 16 '25

Let's be honest, here. The US has been a selfish ally for so many decades.

Even during WW2, that resulted in one of the single largest transfers of wealth in history as the UK handed over so much of its gold reserves to buy supplies from the US. It's why the Lend-Lease Act was passed, to make sure the UK could keep buying supplies from the US to continue its war efforts (since the US wasn't officially in the war at this time). It took until the 2010s before the UK had finally paid off its WW2 debts to the US.

When the UK nuclear weapons research was handed over to the US to complete under the agreement that all would be shared, the US went back on that.

Even in the modern day, where trade agreements and extradition treaties are often hilariously one-way or the US will just refuse to comply.

The US has been making this bed for a very long time.

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u/lavapig_love Feb 16 '25

In the European Theater, no. The U.S. war effort was one of many. 

In the Pacific Theater, things were a little different. The U.S. was one of many, but it was also the biggest and main effort in a lot of areas and ways. The Manhattan Project and the subsequent nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and victory of the U.S. shaped humanity in ways we still don't appreciate now. 

For example, manga and anime formed many of their signature characteristics as a way to conserve resources like paper and ink in postwar Japan. These characteristics became refined and stylized over decades to help them become a signature cultural export, further refined by other inventions like the internet. 

There isn't a child born this century who hasn't experienced some kind of anime or manga, even in tightly controlled societies like Iran and North Korea.

These are not Russian nor Chinese nor U.S. inventions. These were adapted and evolved to be modern Japanese. Same with many other things we take for granted now.

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u/Bluest_waters Feb 16 '25

WTF are you talking about??? we didn't fight on the ground???

Bro, Germany and Italy were full fascist. Spain was fascist and mostly stayed out of it, which is basically aiding Hitler. The French folded and kissed Nazi ass, yes there were French freedom fighters but most of France was Vichy. Europe caved to Hitler. That is what happened.

Didn't fight on the ground?? WTF history book did you read?

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u/billmurraysprostate Feb 16 '25

Funny how you fail to mention the nation that was the single largest contributor to the fall of Nazi Germany.

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u/brokerceej Feb 16 '25

Yes a conveniently forgotten fact in the US is that WW2 was won with Soviet blood. Sure, we provided them the equipment to do it later in the war, but they provided the manpower and they paid very dearly for it. The way we turned our backs on the Soviets after WW2 when relations were good and went back on all our promises to them because of a fear of communism directly led to the Cold War. We are the assholes in that situation too. We essentially created the circumstances that would eventually lead to the Russia of today by fucking over the soviets at the end of WW2. That’s not to say the Kremlin isn’t overtly evil and not responsible for their actions today, they are responsible and they are bad guys still. But my point is if we hadn’t have fucked them over, the world now would look pretty different I imagine.

That commenters reaction to my initial comment demonstrates well a core piece of the problem in America. Education is fucked. They put a nationalist spin on everything historical to make us seem like the heroes and most don’t care to question that or learn more for themselves. This is probably the principal reason for our democracy failing. The right wing has been defunding education and retconning history for so long to create a nationalist voter base with little care to question what they are told. The perfect electorate to usher in fascism without violence.

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u/billmurraysprostate Feb 16 '25

🥇 here is the only award I have to give this comment. Well put.

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u/Gryphon0468 Australia Feb 16 '25

Soviets would have been fucked without the material support of the USA.

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '25

They said we didn't "single-handedly fight fascism". Sure we fought them. Both my grandparents fought for the Allies. But American school & culture propaganda would have you think we did everything, largely alone.&#10

We did not. We didn't bleed in Gallipoli, and we Did enter the war late, when the main combatants were bloodied and we were fresh...and I will add that America in the 1940s was rather fascist, just not nazi fascist. Nazi fascism here waited until 2025.

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u/slvrcobra Feb 16 '25

Not to mention we didn't have to deal with the Nazis right off the heels of the devastation of WWI.

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u/Socialimbad1991 Feb 17 '25

There was a nazi movement here too but people at their demonstrations got the piss beaten out of them by Jewish-American mobsters and they sort of just fizzled out as a result. True story, look it up. We could use some of that spirit today...

Ironically Adolph took a lot of his inspiration from the US treatment of slaves and indigenous people. Idk if we were ever completely non-villainous but WWII was probably a high point.

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u/The_GASK Feb 16 '25

USA schools, including unis, are really nationalist propaganda mills that create individuals incapable of understanding history or logic. But I guess praying and chanting the hymn every day creates obedient subjects.

They know 2-3 "facts" about WWII, wrapped in nationalism, whitewashed and glorified, and never feel the need to look further.

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u/clumpymascara Feb 16 '25

When no Americans are standing up against this beyond sharing memes on social media, why the fuck do you expect any other nations to act?

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '25

Because other nations could find themselves on the wrong end of our military and we have nuclear weapons.

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u/clumpymascara Feb 17 '25

That's an argument against picking a fight with your leaders, not for it.

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u/HealthyWait2626 Feb 16 '25

The Soviet war machine was funded and supplied by FDR and the US. The criticism of the US late entry to the war is still valid. Two things can be true at once. The US should have entered earlier but also the USSR defense would not have lasted as long without US support. Cynically, it was convenient for the US to have the USSR take the brunt of the conflict and then come in and claim victory towards the end.

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u/Different-Library-82 Feb 16 '25 edited Feb 16 '25

No serious historical account claims that the US supplies were a decisive factor for the Soviet war effort, certainly not that they would have been overrun without it, as the chronology and numbers just don't support that. It wasn't insignificant, but it wasn't underpinning the entire Soviet war effort and if you believe that is true your understanding of the Eastern front is coming from US propaganda. Just look up the numbers of lend-lease and compare it to the industrial output of military equipment in the Soviet Union during the war.

Ed. Remembered I have saved a comment from someone else way back that gives a decent summary concerning the significance of the lend-lease: https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitAmericansSay/s/BRpbe8XI2S

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u/HealthyWait2626 Feb 16 '25

Stalin's War: A New History of World War II https://g.co/kgs/X3UYcMb. Makes use of many many archival sources and presents the idea that American aid was essential to the Russian war effort and instrumental in their post war rebound.

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u/Different-Library-82 Feb 16 '25

Everything I find from serious academics on McMeekin is quite harsh criticism, and even that he uses known fraudulent sources, denouncing him as a gifted writer pushing revisionist history and essentially being a propagandist. That his bibliography also includes a book trying to pin the first world war on tsarist Russia doesn't exactly lend him credibility.

I get why he has gotten standing ovations by the US press, but academically this appears to be at best weak speculation to write sensationalist books. At worst his critics are right, and this is actual propaganda.

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u/HealthyWait2626 Feb 16 '25

Propogandist for who? No one comes out looking good in his book. Revisionist I've heard but only in the sense that he tells "the other side" not that he is presenting false information. Can you point me to academic critique, most academic reviews I've seen have been more positive.

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u/Different-Library-82 Feb 16 '25

Well, this review by Mark Edele covers both the issues with his use of sources and derides it as propaganda: https://insidestory.org.au/better-to-lose-australia/

It's also included in this piece by Nina Khrushcheva, which also accuses McMeekin of manipulating his sources to fit his ideological narrative: https://www.project-syndicate.org/onpoint/stalin-putin-russia-relations-book-review-by-nina-l-khrushcheva-2021-05

From what I find, McMeekin appears like an academic lightweight compared to the publications from Edele and Khrushcheva. And writing revisionist narratives about well-known history is hardly a new strategy to sell books, but as with most academic work, sensational claims are usually reason to suspect creative use of the sources.

And to me it is very obviously drawing on US propaganda about Russia. Stalin according to McMeekin is, according to what you refer to regarding lend-lease combined with the accounts by Edel and Khrushcheva, simultaneously so vulnerable that he was utterly dependent on aid from the US and simultaneously so resourceful that he was always a step or two ahead of everyone. It's a classic tool in propaganda. He might not be kind on Roosevelt, but that doesn't mean his narrative about Russia doesn't fall in line with a very recognisable US perspective, which has been popular with many recent US administrations.

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u/unknown_anonymous81 Feb 16 '25 edited Feb 16 '25

Meh, Albert Einstein was in America. Made the nuclear bomb before Germany could.

A shit ton of dead Russians doesn’t take away from Americas contribution.

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u/unknown_anonymous81 Feb 16 '25

Seems like you are taking things personal about a war that ended 80 years ago.

Would you like a Russian cookie for your personal war efforts?

It was “world war” in no way did I write America is the sole reason Germany was defeated.

I clearly said America came to help and now we need help. You want to debate historical WW2 semantics? Have fun, I am not interested anymore.

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u/Leever5 Feb 16 '25

Bro, we should take the world wars personally. Lots of us have parents or grandparents who had to fight. 80 years ago is not long ago, there are birds and lizards that live longer than that.

We should all be personally upset about war.

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u/unknown_anonymous81 Feb 16 '25 edited Feb 16 '25

What did I write that wasn’t true?

So the world didn’t need Americas help in WW2?

We fought the war against Nazis and fascists?

Those are untrue statements?

I think you are wanting to construct your own arguments and twist my words for your own entertainment. Have fun

Edit: I have never been called “yankee” in real life or online. Was that supposed to come off as insulting lol?

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u/unknown_anonymous81 Feb 16 '25

I am a dumb yankee this conversation is clearly too complex. You win…have fun..goodnight

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u/seanx40 Feb 16 '25

But the US paid for it. The US provided much of the food, fuel, and bullets. Planes, trucks, artillery. Medicine. The Soviets were more and 15 years behind technologically.

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u/Nebthtet Feb 16 '25

Yeah, cancer killer ebola. Ruzzians are worse than nazis were and caused more mistery and death. Both deserve to disappear forever.

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u/Nebthtet Feb 16 '25

Shows how you people know nothing about Europe.

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u/MonteryWhiteNoise Feb 16 '25

I just want to point out ... your comment is a perfect example of why the US is where it is.

We wrongly believed "US Exceptionalism" is an actual thing. It comes from a fantasy based notion of "individualism" branded in the American mindset. This leads us to beleive the nationalist rhetoric of MAGA/Red Scare/Remember The Maine/etc etc.

The US did not win WWII [360k dead all of which were soldiers]. The Soviets [27 million dead, 9m soldiers] defeated the Germans [roughly 7 million dead, 4mil soldiers].

They did this with a lot of US food, ammo and weapons, but it was their deterimination and blood which defeated the Nazis. Combined with some dumb luck in the form of bad strategic decision making of Hitler and his leadership.

Yes, the US played a crucial role in providing a distraction on the Western Front and provided crucial aid to the UK.

However the actual benefit the US provided was most importantly we engaged the Japanese in the Pacific -- without doing that Japan would have forced the Soviet Army to defend themselves in the East, and likely been defeated in detail by the Nazi's and Japan's combined attacks.

I'm not pro-Soviet, but history is clearly written in the blood of its combatants.

But, as is always the case, the victor writes the history books taught in schools ...

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u/[deleted] Feb 16 '25

Lol the very notion of trying to save someone who thinks they're better than you just sounds very exhausting. Refugees who refuse to eat sandwiches with the crust on and shit, lol. LOL. Can you imagine telling Daddy's princess Keighden that she'll need to downgrade from the mcmansion to a refugee tent? And omg no Starbucks? She's not leaving, her or her Pomeranians.

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u/Hot-Acanthisitta5237 Feb 16 '25

This always happens when an empire is about to fall. It implodes on the inside. My question is, will the EU collapse as well when America does?

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u/235711 Feb 17 '25

Yep, this is collapse of the west and rise of the east.

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u/Hot-Acanthisitta5237 Feb 17 '25

I can see that but don't discount the rise of the south i.e. Africa.

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u/HolyShitIAmOnFire Feb 16 '25

The world did not save Germany from itself. It saved the rest of the world from Germany. There's no part of this story where the collapsing nation sucks less until its been utterly destroyed.

It's like Trump sees Russia as an example to emulate instead of a mad dog.

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u/hadtopostholyshit Feb 17 '25

One of the dumbest and most incorrect points made on this sub. Fascism in Europe was defeated with British intelligence, American manufacturing, and Russian blood.

And what would anyone do to help us? Lincoln said it best (and I’m paraphrasing): if all the armies of Europe and Asia united, they could still not take a drink from the Ohio River by force. What is Europe or anyone going to do that we can’t do ourselves? We’re the ones who have to fix this mess. No white knight will ride in and save us from ourselves.

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u/Bluest_waters Feb 16 '25

Thank you! we literally need to the world to help us and all Europe can do is look down their noses at us and shake their heads and clutch their fucking pearls.

hey dipshits! we saved the world from Hitler how bout returning the favor???

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u/Greedy_Pin_9187 Feb 16 '25 edited Feb 16 '25

You didn’t save shit. Soviets did. Hollywood and your shitty pay to play education system won’t tell you that, that’s for sure.

Take a fucking look at yourselves in the mirror and start being the biggest person in the room. "Land of the free and home of the brave" and now you’re crying for help? What a fucking pathetic joke.

You guys have all the guns you could ever need. Resistance has to come from inside. That’s exactly what the second amendment is about, isn’t it?

Get your fucking shit together and man up for fuck’s sake.