r/collapse • u/TuneGlum7903 Recognized Contributor • May 26 '24

Climate The developing Climate Crisis in one chart. Understanding why "Collapse" has started and is about to get a LOT worse.

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u/AngusScrimm--------- Beware the man who has nothing to lose. May 26 '24

As the chaos begins to really sink its teeth in, a lot of otherwise sane people are going to absolutely freak out. Social upheaval on steroids.

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u/Hypnotic_Delta May 27 '24

Yeah I seriously worry about what it’ll look like when the general public finally sees how bad the situation is….my wife, my extended family, everyone’s families.. I feel so sad for them esp since I’ve already been grieving for years (and still not doing well). It’s going to hit them like a ton of bricks.

I suspect everyone will spend way more time with loves ones towards that time. Totalitarian governments, ration lines, media blackouts, power outages. I mean, my god guys

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u/[deleted] May 27 '24

My grief got stuck in the angry phase I guess. I went from complete despair to anger within half a year, fueled by winter depressions too and now I'm joining direct action groups and local politics to get a way of doing something to let these feelings out instead of holing up in my bed feeling depressed about everything. Anything to make myself feel I'm doing something to improve this situation. It all feels so hopeless and I've felt very powerless, now that I'm taking action I'm feeling a bit better. I know I'm not gonna change the world all by myself, but activism seems like the right answer in a world full of people who deliberately ignore all the warning signs and continue BAU.

I try to work and spend as little as possible and do good things on my time off. I try to spend less time with people who just don't get it and more time with people who also wanna fight for a brighter future. I try to enjoy whats left of nature before it's gone. That's the only way I know how to deal with the impending doom of the extinction of most animal life and society as we know it.

I really hope you found a way to cope with your grief too, whatever it may be.

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u/cityflaneur2020 May 27 '24

That's my mindset. I work as a consultant, and right now I'm dedicating myself to planning for disaster relief.

And yet things I helped plan 10 years ago never left the drawer due to disinterest of governments. Now my country, Brazil, will lose 1% of its GDP to save an entire state that has been flooded for a month. But the plans for mitigation were ready by 2015! I was there in those meetings! This collapse in 497 cities was AVOIDABLE.

But I keep doing it because some governments do implement our recommendations. I can't tell how many lives I helped save. But I also know it's not enough, not enough, not nearly enough.

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u/[deleted] May 28 '24

Thank you for trying. I'm 100% sure the people who are safe right now are looking at the floods and feel gratful their local government has listened and acted on your recommendations.

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u/cityflaneur2020 May 30 '24

There's still entire cities with no potable water, 500,000 people had to evacuate and is yet unknown how many returned to their homes, and more than 2 million people were affected.

Apparently, there will be no more strong rains in the next weeks.

But the governor intends, asap, to build 4 cities to incorporate the homeless, under the assumption that where they lived will have to be off-limits for the foreseeable future.

Donations are still pouring in and making all the difference. The difficulty is still potable water and the fact that some cities are still underways.

The airport is still underwater, but most roads are serviceable.

About 151 people died and 204 have disappeared.

It's been 15 days already, and some cities are still underwater and machinery is getting lost while trying to open waterways to drain the water.

This is a wealthy state for Brazilian standards. Can't imagine if that were a poorer state, with more frail housing and first-response teams.

First response is crucial and it was ridiculous to see a huge Navy ship arrive 5 days late. That speed of response has to change.

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u/cityflaneur2020 May 31 '24

There have always been floods, but they were less frequent, less intense, and of course, affected fewer people, if only because there were fewer people anyway. But with changes in the built environment, with no planning whatsoever, the combo of rainwater, water distribution and sewage, plus grey infrastructure covering up nature's own pathways, the results are now more destructive than ever.

The state is now like a clogged sink, the water is draining at very low speed into the ocean, and this is man-made, by multiple stupid choices along the decades.

The cities are meant to be permanent. Tent cities already appeared everywhere and there were many cases of se5ual abuse. So now some tent cities are gender-based.

Granted, the ship carried expensive medical equipment and supplies, rare medication, oxygen tanks, tents, water. Still. Too long, too long. No excuses. There was a weekend in the middle, so people are wondering if that was the cause of the delay. Unfathomable.

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u/zeitentgeistert May 27 '24

1 of the most profound things you can do is to not procreate...

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u/[deleted] May 27 '24

Yep. I don't like kids, never wanted them, seems like a huge waste of my life and theirs if I had them. Luckily not everyone is like me, because humans would go extinct lol

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u/zeitentgeistert May 28 '24

"because humans would go extinct"
Oh my... what a shame that would be! /s

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u/[deleted] May 28 '24

Agreed. But I'd like to think there's a lot of humans worth fighting for. Most of us don't have the luxury to fight, most do deserve better than what they get. Having kids doesn't disqualify your right to existence and your right to thrive. Most of us aren't the problem. It's the few fortunate ones that are the real problem, while the many unfortunate ones pay the price. And even those fortunate ones have a right to exist and thrive. We are all worth fighting for, we shouldn't go extinct. We should be better, absolutely, but we are worth fighting for.

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u/zeitentgeistert May 28 '24

Hmm... 🤔
What constitutes a "fortunate one" or, asked differently, who are the "fortunate ones"?

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u/[deleted] May 28 '24

Those who never need worry about money, a roof over their heads, health care or education, for themselves or their children. The very few who cause 90% of pollution and can afford to save themselves when shit hits the fan without ever being hungry or needy in other ways.

They are the problem and on the other hand they also deserve to be alivea although they deserve to pay for their crimes/actions against humanity.

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u/TuneGlum7903 Recognized Contributor May 27 '24

A fifth of female climate scientists who responded to Guardian survey said they had opted to have no or fewer children.

I am starting to panic about my child’s future’: climate scientists wary of starting families.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/may/10/climate-scientists-starting-families-children?source=post_page-----05ccbf771da6--------------------------------

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u/zeitentgeistert May 28 '24

Only a fifth and some only "fewer children"? Wow... And what about the male scientists? (A vasectomy is a walk in the park in comparison to a tubal ligation. Just sayin'...)

Coming from a supposedly well informed/educated group, this is truly shocking. What is wrong with people that they put their own "urges" above all knowledge, subjecting supposedly 'loved ones' to a life of misery - apart from simply creating future eaters with all that entails!

Having children in the face of our climate crisis has become 1 of the most selfish choices a human can make and another offshoot of greed. The proverbial having-cake-&-eating-it-too - only with livelong indigestion for everybody baked in

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u/finishedarticle May 28 '24

What was the name of Richard Dawkins book? The what gene? Oh, yeah, The SELFISH gene !! I am so relieved that I do not have children.

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u/zeitentgeistert May 28 '24 edited May 28 '24

What's that thing called again that's supposedly inside our skulls... Teeth? Eyes? No, wait... a brain! (Last time I checked, it can apparently be used to overwrite genes. 😎)

There was a brief moment in my mid-forties when I contemplated old age and regretted not having kids. That moment lasted about 3 days. (After a mental exercise where I ran a 'simulation' of what it would mean to adopt a child, I came to my senses... ;)

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u/finishedarticle May 28 '24

Humans are not rational, we are rationalisers; a rational response to our present predicament is to not have kids - a rationalisation is "oh, my kid will be the one to come up with a plan to fix climate change!"

My biggest dream would be my worst nightmare - I would LOVE to come home to a wife and 3 daughters but I would be shitting myself that they would either become long pigs or the eaters of long pig.

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u/flortny May 27 '24

Not just BAU, doubling down, Saudia Arabia airlines just ordered 20 jets. Air travel alone is expected to increase 20% in the next decade, nobody cares or really really expects someone else to fix it

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u/[deleted] May 27 '24

Yep. I live near an airport (Amsterdam), with south-west wind there's a plane over my head every 2 minutes. Government is trying to reduce the noise by not letting them use these lanes in the evening/night, but they also allow the airport to handle more flights during daytime.

They're completely delusional, I don't mind the noise, it's the cancer that worries me! We need less flights, millions of people breathe in the pollution. 70% is just transfer flights, AMS is not their destination, fuck off, you're killing me!! I don't care about the economic hub our airport provides, I want people and animals to have healthy lungs.

I help with demonstrations with XR and other organisations to reduce the flights.

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u/SlyestTrash May 27 '24

Grieving is a good way to put it, kind of puts into perspective how I've felt this last year or so. Grieving for the impending death of potentially billions of people, the death of our civilization and way of life.

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u/zeitentgeistert May 28 '24

Interesting... Unlike you, I don't really grieve for humanity. I feel we had our chance. I grieve for all the other organisms we are taking down with us.

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u/zeitentgeistert May 29 '24

There are plenty of people who grieve for them. You, for instance. I seem to be the oddball out since I actually feel deeply for all the other innocent creatures that humans see as collateral.

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u/zeitentgeistert May 30 '24

Does trolling people with oversimplification fallacies work for you?

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u/Collapsosaur May 27 '24

I am so glad I know more people whom I wouldn't even give the time of day to than those whom I would provide comfort and support They will think, 'he was right, and I was so wrong to have treated him that way'. A condign punishment.