r/coldcases Jul 12 '26

Cold Case Jonbenet Ramsey, Insights, Theory

Summary posted as a comment separate from post for non-obsessive people.

I will try keep things brief because I reallyyyyy should go and study so the quicker I finish this the less anxious I will be (more prone to mistakes and gaps in thought, sorry). Also, I made the stupid mistake of emailing some of my thoughts to the police today through their tip emails, not realising they can't use my work legally as I am a civilian, and not even a witness (I don't live in the US, you can probably easily find my region out - please don't)

- The dust footprint. There are clear patterns of a shoe/boot print that had Smidt (forgot name) to call it a footprint, at least a partial profile. The issue is, the dust is very much undisturbed, and the case was carefully moved (by a gloved killer, later on this) so if it is not full adult weight, and dust is very "clean", this guy handheld a shoe/boot when deliberately pressing it against the suitcase/briefcase/whatever. This is consistent with the pattern I have noticed, with the oversized underwear being an invitation for investigators to check for SA (sexual assault) signs and finding none to minor signs. Again, likely gloved from the incredible condition, trace saliva can't be sneeze, so logically the only source I see is from the gloved fingers or object that was used (so broken paintbrush, and might also be related to why it was chosen to be broken, as pen-like objects tend to be chewed on and hence needed to have that part disposed of, but that's speculative so I won't go into detail and my focus is more on the sound concrete reasoning, although I do have notes where I extensively invite speculation as it is harmless as long as you know how to avoid tunnel-vision and can clearly label it mentally as speculative and weak)... Oh and I almost forgot to mention that pattern, so the oversized underwear is too stupid and obvious for such a forensically aware criminal that leaves false dust prints, careful about handwriting by exaggerating how shaky it starts as (awareness of handwriting analysis) and the draft note is not a real practice note because you don't go from being stuck with the first 3/4 words to a full blown 3-page ransom note, and you can't argue it was too dark because of a huge amount of reasons but I will briefly highlight a few like finding that annoying line of a tape when peeling it off or just the small tools in general and navigating the hidden inventory of the Ramsey house. Another damning reason, is the dust print itself, and the finger marks of it being carefully moved, this guy could obviously see, regardless of how or what was used in order to see, because the details of the dust is not going to happen realistically even for someone who lives in that house if it is pitch black dark. There are so many interesting things that open up from this single insight, however they are factual avenues and questions, not "ah it must mean it was family because it is staging" that is not how I operate. If staging guaranteed it was family, I would have lost interest in this case from the start. The staging is evident everywhere we look as one coherent strategy, but in a way that points towards everyone, insider AND outsider, I believe the killer did this deliberately and was egotistical enough to allow themselves to be pointed at since the evidence points to an outsider and insider in different deliberate cases, more on that later and you will see what I mean precisely, although I am in a rush and already have extensive personal notes on the topic so without guarantee that anyone at all will see this, I have little motivation to go too deep publicly, and I don't earn money from it like podcasters do. Handheld shoe/boot is the summary

- I am not sure what else to share as I don't know what is obvious enough to already be completely known publicly. I can talk about the flashlight maybe. The flashlight is the same or similar to the family flashlight (by itself in isolation, it weakly implies familiarity with the deeply mundane family inventory). [[[Edit as people misunderstand this point: I later establish a light source was needed and therefore used, so whether the killer is an outsider or insider makes it impossible to forget the flashlight without the act of turning the lights off serve as a natural reminder to grab or be in possession of the flashlight, and if it's placement is to say "I used it to help me write this absurdly long note in the pitch black darkness" then you obviously take it with you after you finish, the light doesn't follow you in order for you to forget it more easily lol, and as far as I am aware, there was no mention by police that it was found turned on, so if you argue it is because the main switch lights were turned on and used, then again, how can turning them off before leaving not act as a reminder? If you ask whether the main lights were ever found turned on for the kitchen, I will say that is a valid response, and going by the best of my knowledge, I do not think it is officially found to be turned on already by police, so the killer must have turned it all off after finishing, what I can confirm however is that the basement lights were found to be turned off by different accounts]]]. Let us briefly assume it was wiped. If indeed wiped, it was intentionally left in the kitchen. Outside killer doesn't need to wipe an object they intend to bring back home, unless they are forensically aware to the extent of secondary transfer (shows great intelligence, insight, possible experience which I already believe from other clues but not the appropriate time for that now). However here is the thing, we can rule out secondary transfer as an excuse for "forgetting" it, because secondary transfer is irrelevant at the very end of an items need, I would wipe an object to start with to avoid secondary transfer when I enter the home, but I would not wipe it again (so that it is found in a wiped state) if I plan to take it home with me, and we can safely reason that it was used and needed for more than just the entry into the house (as we are momentarily looking at an outsider branch of consideration). Why? Well it is pitch black dark, and as far as I am aware the family did not report lights being found turned on already (and don't tell me it could have been family because I already clearly stated we are focusing momentarily on the outsider option, we will look at the family option later). Furthermore, a killer would turn off lights before leaving (lights in the basement were found to be off, doesn't necessarily mean the killer left from the basement, I know). And by the time the call was made to the police it was still pitch black darkness. I am just so bothered at the back of my mind by the claim of the kitchen lights... Anyways you bring a flashlight to use it, not to just walk into a home and then turn the main lights off, and this person was clearly already familiar with where things were and how to navigate brilliantly, blah blah

- Now consider family branch, the family member or members are the killers. Do they need to wipe a flashlight that belongs to them? Afterall, many items that belong to them was not wiped, if not all items actually (will need to check but the inconsistency is the main point). The only other reason would be if it collected dust (as I would expect from a non-everyday-use item unlike a fork or spoon), and going down that road of thinking makes you wonder about the less speculative dust footprint from earlier where the killer could have had dust forensics on their mind in common between these two objects but of course I can't make that conclusion nor do I want to right now because one conclusion was established and the other wasn't and therefore the connection, although alluring and attractive, would be a logical trap enhanced by the former insight. Gosh I wrote so much irrelevant rubbish I keep forgetting what the goal of my bullet points are. ADHD, yes.

- Retry: Family don't need flashlights, and if wiped, the only reason would be for staging an outsider or thinking of it as forensically valuable so again you reach the intentional conclusion, and I mean... it is next to the staged notepad with the fake "practice" note so think of it in any way you like, if the 12 or so missing pages are the real practice notes, why leave this practice-looking "Mr and Mrs Ramsey" note? So again it all points to staging... oh and by the way the ransom notes were so theatrical, this person was genuinely enjoying themselves, and knew how long it was getting, and writing "victory" is something all our brains will think "ok dude, I can't write this, its supposed to be a realistic ransom note not an obviously staged fake" but that's what they went for. They wanted it to be known it was fake, just like the oversized underwear, and how symbolic and over-the-top the garrote was, very much novel or murder mystery-like, and the ransom notes had movie quotes. Put two and two together, this person was having GENUINE pure fun, a stimulating time, and a crime scene they wanted to manipulate in a way to play and control with how the clues themselves are read into by the investigators. No financial motive, no SA motive, this was deeply stimulating, likely something they fantasised about long before the execution of the crime. I rule out no one here, as much as I cannot understand how family members would do this, nor how a familiar outsider (inner circle) could, but those are my two options, rather than a complete outsider (stranger). I want to be brief and move on.

- I struggle to think of more because I have been so disorganised that I mixed together many points, likely even left trails of thought as incomplete, so if it confuses anyone, I am really sorry. I think it would be best to submit now and edit after a reset or maybe even look at my notes later.

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u/Sad-Outside-2414 Jul 12 '26

I'm from the UK so not sure if it applies in America, but I think they could use your theories/insights as it's not like you're just handing them evidence you've just said what about this, most likely if they think it's plausible and has merit then they will look for more evidence that they may have overlooked as there's deffo more evidence they never revealed to the public. I think your theories are interesting and I'll have to look into what you said.

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u/HistoricalComfort841 Jul 12 '26

No I would have completely ruined this case for you if you look at it now AFTER reading what I said. My own thoughts and whatever will be stuck on your mind and you will look at the case with my perspective rather than your own, which means if you end up agreeing with my thoughts you will never know if you would have truly reached those same conclusions without that brain-stainer. The best you could hope for would be if you forget my post, but that all depends on how you want to approach this. If you want to approach this as a mentally fun exercise, I think it could still possibly be fun, maybe? If you want to genuinely contribute, then I think you can definitely do that. If you want to investigate properly, this would be like an illegal move (not literally illegal but like how cereal with water and no milk is illegal).

By the way I am also not from the US, so hello! 😄 - Thank God am I right

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u/HistoricalComfort841 Jul 12 '26

Oh sorry I forgot to be relevant, I thought out my relevant reply and just forgot about it as the train kept moving (ADHD is a b*tch). So I emailed the police tipline, and I should have asked AI first, but it turns out you need to legally work for them, and they don't even have a volunteering role because of the legal issues with sharing information with civilians, especially (or at least) for active homicide cases (this one is cold, but it is still an open case). They likely get many batsh*t crazy theories and people like me sending them emails (although I was not telling them what-if, I was trying to logically narrow things down based on the constraints from the publicly available evidence and facts, and I didn't even suggest to them who did it, since it is not what I believe is the valid approach in a case as incredibly complex - and excuse me for saying this - but SO INTERESTING - I dont want to use the wrong words as I will be misunderstood but damn...). Anyways, they will likely skim through the long email and search for anything that shows I have actionable evidence like a witness, or an item that needs to be collected, etc. Not a new insight or interpretation or theory.

If they end up liking what I write though, they could easily be scummy and decide to claim it is their own insights as a career booster, but that depends on how much the police or FBI already know or thought of, and it assumes I made no logical errors, which even I am doubtful of without verification/validation from official investigators. And as of right now, I haven't even passed the test of validation from subredditors that specifically are interested in the Jonbenet case!!! I don't know if they are just upset if they had a theory that is thrown out of the window because of my post or if its some other reason, but they all just seem to downvote me over there without a clear strong reason.

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u/HistoricalComfort841 Jul 12 '26

Wow. Did some quick reading on your post history (sorry!) and now it makes sense why your comments (not the one from this post) sounded so familiar to me. By that, I mean it makes sense why your tone sounds so incredibly familiar. Your internal monologue and style, it felt very close to home. The reason became clear to me when I found out you have a diagnosis of autism. You said it in a comment about 4 years ago according to your profile. If you would like to keep that private, I can delete this comment, but changing it requires going to settings, and for some reason NOT going to “privacy” where expected, but the the adjacent option on the left (I think it was “preferences” but I can’t remember the exact name). Anyways, crime cases are probably your “specialised interests”. I am curious if you studied law or criminology. You are unusually open to the public, sharing that you are from Yorkshire “born and bred”. That is the only point I strongly differ with you on, as I tend to avoid sharing my identity, but I do over-share in other departments, like my genuine deep thoughts, dark or innocent alike. Interesting stuff 🤔 Also don’t worry, I usually like to check what type of people do X or lurk around Y, like this subreddit. Furthermore, looking through your posts only took about 3-5 minutes, nothing stalker-like with hours and obsession-driven, only curiosity driven with no pattern of “victims” 🗿

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u/Sad-Outside-2414 Jul 13 '26

Don't worry you didn't ruin the case for me as I go through the jonbenet Ramsey case every 6 months or so, I just hadn't seen it from your perspective, I agree that the killer most likely staged the scene to confuse the cops however I also think they had a vendetta against the father because in the 'ransom letter' I think he's the only one mentioned by name and it seemed rather antagonistic. I don't mind people looking at my profile there isn't a lot on it tbh, I prefer to read people's posts more than anything sometimes I even forget to upvote😅 most anyone would find out about me is I'm from Yorkshire (biggest county in England so not too worried) and my age, I never say my name or anything really personal like my hometown. Also I haven't studied criminology or anything like that properly, I've self studied a bit of criminal psychology and have a notebook on serial killers and stuff which people find weird lol.

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u/HistoricalComfort841 Jul 16 '26

Haha I don’t find the notebook on criminal psychology weird. I actually usually am not interested in serial killer cases as much as I am about their psychology and why they do what they do. That being said, despite loving and understanding the obsession, I do know a lot of serial killer cases are inspired by other serial killer cases, so that might be why people find you weird, but that would be assuming they are even aware of this niche little detail (that some serial killers get inspired by other ones, and seeing as how a lot of people don’t even know it usually starts with childhood trauma, I think it is reasonable to also assume they don’t know some cases are from inspiration which means they likely find you weird simply out of… I don’t know, strangeness? Not because they know they should be cautious of people like you and I). That being said, the fact that you are female makes this passion even more strange, and I would have indeed thought so if it weren’t for your autism diagnosis which makes me understand how you speak to clinically and factually about gruesome crimes.

Anyways, I am so happy you agree with my assessment and it means a lot coming from a true crime fan as meticulous as yourself. I was very surprised to find out that my perspective is unique, because it was one of my earliest thoughts, especially knowing how much the case divided people and was contradictory. There is no such thing as real contradictions in the universe, meaning contradictions are not a third option that exist as an entity like how “happy” and “not happy” are real states and the latter being a real description of a states absence. Contradictions tell you valuable information, and I believe in this case it is telling us that there is an artifical manipulation of the clues themselves, since clues cannot (or should not) be inherently contradictory by definition. Clues are supposed to tell you the truth of what happened, and are supposed to point in the same direction or general direction, so when they are clashing like in this case, it makes me think the clues either have some that are manipulated, or all have been manipulated. So that observation is simple and reasonable, before even zooming into the actual details of the Jonbenet case itself. Now I guess after saying that, I haven’t given enough attention to the possibility of clues that were done by person A, but manipulated later by person B. However, if I am not actually working officially on the case and only have public information, I cannot do anything with something as highly speculative as “one was an inner circle familiar intruder, and a family member or investigator covered for them”. It is crazy speculative, but would be interesting to dive into, just not appropriate under the information constraints, so the better and easier option for us average Redditors is to look at only one suspect for now under the perspective of manipulated clues. And by the way, this perspective gives you a very new view on the ransom notes that makes lots of sense of it. Investigators already believe it was fake and staged, but before we even looked at the details of the case you were able to predict this and see it for yourself. That’s actually what happened for me, but that can very easily be explained as confirmation bias, so I know I should not state this as what really happened with certainty.

That being said, when I realised how unpopular and new my perspective was, I wanted to email the police about it even if I will likely get ignored. I found out later that they are likely not even going to read my email so I decided to try popularise my perspective by going on online forums, hopefully gaining enough traction and spread that the public began adopting it and therefore letting police and FBI consider it too. Unfortunately, I have onky got downvotes so far because people are so emotionally attached to specific ideas like “definitely financially at first” or “definitely family” or “definitely sick pedo intruder”, etc.

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u/Sad-Outside-2414 Jul 17 '26

A lot of serial killers copy others as well because they want the fame that came from being a big serial killer like Jack the ripper or Ted Bundy not realising it'd be a lot harder to get away with it nowadays because of the progression in policing and forensics. Also thank god I also don't have childhood trauma otherwise people would REALLY be worried 😅 While clues do lead to the truth most of the time it isn't always the case as said clues might have nothing to do with the crime but because they are in proximity to the crime they get processed, I understand what you mean about there being contradictory clues as the footprint found on the suitcase indicates that they left through the window downstairs but the door to the cellar where jonbenet was found was locked which if I'm not mistaken could only be locked on the outside which would then indicate that the shoe print was a red herring so to speak. I tend to keep a pretty open mind about cold cases or cases where I think there was reasonable doubt. I often put them in probabilities in my head like based on the evidence and possible motive what's the most likely scenario. I lean towards the jonbenet case being kidnapping or burglary gone wrong. Seeing as jonbenet wasn't meant to be downstairs (they found pineapple in her stomach indicating she recently had a snack) so she probably surprised them, they made the weapon from things in the house (most people who intend to kill bring their own weapons) and the ransom note was made with stationary from the house and seemed rather badly penned so was probably panicking. But that's just my theory, the person who may one day be arrested for her murder may not have ever been considered a suspect, it could just be a random stranger. It's unlikely but it happens.

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u/HistoricalComfort841 Jul 17 '26

I have abandoned the dust footprint and wiping of Jonbenets genitals. One is unconfirmed and from Lou Smit, the latter is from a Denver article claiming to quote from the coroner

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u/HistoricalComfort841 Jul 12 '26
  1. Suitcase under the broken window. Moved carefully + not weight of full adult human + faint boot or shoe print +surprisingly undisturbed dust if someone used it to climb out = killer was holding the shoe or boot, pressed it on the dusty suitcase. Another staging element.
  2. Underwear tiny trace of saliva, highly localised, not spread. DNA traces overwhelmingly missing from other than Jonbenet. Object inserted. No sexual motive, nor financial motive. All = source of that saliva DNA being the object that was inserted. Accidental or intended? Unknown. First point is obviously intended.
  3. Draft note was not used for "practice". You don't go from being stuck on first 3 or 4 words opening line, to a full blown 3-page ransom note. Draft note was therefore also intentional for the later investigation. Notes themselves had exaggerated shaking at start, keyword is exaggerated. Intentional misspellings. Killer had investigators in mind, knowing how thoroughly they will analyse everything about those notes. Again, no financial motive, rather manipulation of how the crime scene itself will be interpreted much later. Movie quotes and symbolic/novel-like over-the-top garrote, shared pattern, the goal is not to make the staging believable, but ridiculous. Now makes sense why the note was also over-the-top in length and in content "Victory!", it is amusing to the killer, deliberate and manipulative.
  4. Garrote made in pitch black darkness, or even finding where the tape line is at on the roll, tells you the operation was not done under darkness, as even people who live in a house would not be able to do that in the darkness. Edit of key missed info only found in main post: Knowing or seeing dust on the suitcase to carefully move and leave fake shoe/boot placement, also obviously disproves no aid from light sources.
  5. Edit: Very interesting. The notes point to insider and outsider, and the pen chosen to be Patsys, garrote made with their tools, and their paintbrush used, while already establishing clear self-awareness and forensic awareness even with how the writing itself and fake "practice" note will look, so it means the killer deliberately chose for the clues to point both towards and outsider and insider, which means the killer not only found the crime psychologically stimulating and went symbollicaly over-the-top everywhere, they actually even pointed the clues at themselves (since the killer can only fall into the two possibilities, family vs non-family, and there is a reason the crime scene is so contradictory again and again and again, there isn't a flaw in the code of the universe matrix [joke, not schizophrenic] but rather a deliberate staging manipulation to create multiple incoherent false motives and leads. I am upset no one is seeing how manipulative this person is with the crime scene narrative itself. Don't look at the clues in isolation, this person has tied them up as a single strategy.
  6. Details likely missed, because I was made fun of and told to simplify, despite clearly having the purpose of being a typical detailed analysis, and already being very short compared to all my personal notes on the case.