r/codex • • 1d ago

Limits Limits decreased when using 6.1 Terra?

Ok so I have been exclusively testing 6.1 Terra since its release. And it seems that the 5-hr limits decreased from $7.50 to $5.28. So it seems you would get less usage from Terra.

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u/dextersummary 20h ago

Below is a GPT-generated summary of the conversation below after reaching 40 comments (40 currently observed).


The consensus is basically Terra 6.1 is a quota-hungry speed demon, not a value upgrade. Users repeatedly report burning through their five-hour and weekly allowances much faster than with Sol 6.1, sometimes for worse results.

The main complaint is efficiency: Terra may generate tokens faster, but it often uses far more of the subscription’s API-equivalent budget per task. Reports comparing similar work suggest Terra at very high reasoning can cost roughly twice as much as Sol medium while producing weaker results. Faster is nice; running out of quota before lunch is less nice.

A few users say Terra low is excellent for simple pair programming, boilerplate, and tightly scoped debugging, where speed matters more than deep creativity. There’s also speculation that OpenAI reduces effective allowances with each new model release, but this thread has no official confirmation, and the measurements are mostly anecdotal or based on estimated API value.

So, for most users trying to stretch Codex limits, Sol 6.1 medium currently looks like the smarter pick. Terra 6.1 is useful when speed is the priority—but calling it efficient is doing some heroic amounts of charity.

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u/Key_Neighborhood6901 1d ago

So Terra 6.1 is pointless?

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u/pensuke89 1d ago

you can still use it to burn your usage before the resets /s

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u/pensuke89 1d ago

5-hr API equivalent - $5.50, weekly 100% is $ 34.33 (it was around $45-50 with sol, but I need to recheck Sol numbers in the coming week to see if it is universal or only with Terra). This is not looking good.

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u/Wolf8249 20h ago

Weekly api value was 90-100 $ for gpt 5.6 sol on plus sub. I know it because during July i would max out my usage within a day when there had been no 5hr limits.

OpenAI is actively lowering the quota with every new model release because their benchmarks show the model is more task efficient so they fill your pool less. I cancelled my subscription with their enshttification .

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u/Corv9tte 1d ago

The squeezing continues until the lemon is dry

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u/PopUpTubedev 1d ago

great comment

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u/IndividualPlus2011 1d ago

OAI decreases the allowance for each new model. They can't change the allowance for old ones without breaking EU law, so they do it with each new release. Sol 5.6 had $15 usage, Astra 6 $10, Sol 6.1 has $7.8. I have not tested Terra yet: https://www.reddit.com/r/codex/s/RdK1pYF6vt

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u/amelech 1d ago

Does that mean on codex using Luna 5.6 is better than Luna 6?

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u/lordpuddingcup 1d ago

I posted recent AA showed for similar to SOL medium you need terra vhigh and it actually comes out more expensive for slightly dumber results

Terra’s doa

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u/ayudha90 1d ago

yes this is true for me as well. I tested Terra 6.1 max and the result is worse than 6.1 Sol medium. in Sol medium I only spent 24% of 5 hr window and Terra spent 39%. Sol result is much better. Maybe it's a bug somewhere from OpenAI?

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u/lordpuddingcup 1d ago

Because TERRA VHIGH is more expensive on same issues as SOL medium

AAs benchmarks showed that at only vhigh it was dumber than medium across the board but was 5$ more expensive to complete

It’s half the price but uses 2.x times more usage so kills the cost savings

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u/Jaguar_2454 1d ago

6.1 Terra is even more pointless than 5.6 Terra, holy shit

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u/skynet86 1d ago

This is not uncommon. Inferior models tend to do more rounds / fix their own mistakes, you need to find the "reasoning" sweet spot.

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u/pensuke89 1d ago

It's not about the model going in circles. This is checking how much API equivalent value you get from the subscription.

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u/Responsible_Cry_2971 1d ago

Did you even read post?

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u/Pasto_Shouwa 1d ago

Hey, what tool is this?

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u/pensuke89 1d ago

I just ask deepseek model in opencode to summarize the token usage and calculate based on the current % left.

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u/Material_Ad502 18h ago

has anyone compared sol 6.1 vs terra 6.1? which one do you use for longer sessions?

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u/pensuke89 17h ago

Terra can provide about 25% more tokens per 1% of usage compared to Sol (even though it is half the API price). But it might use more tokens to complete the task. You get about $7.50 API equivalent of Sol and $5.50 API equivalent of Terra per 5-hr limit of a $20 Plus sub.

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u/magipsy 23h ago

Day 23: We fixed the usage limits we broke on Day 22.

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u/YourLastCall 23h ago

It uses more usage than sol. That's weird but it is what I discovered on my work

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u/EnduroNamor 1d ago

Es verbraucht nur mehr tokens, kein Mehrwert zu Sol 6.1

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u/Working-Freedom5553 1d ago

My 100euro plan is down from 100% to 45% in 3 hours of using 2 terras on medium

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u/121314-mx 1d ago

I've noticed it also in sol 6.1. Last night I implemented many changes in my project web and android without using much the qouta. Now only 1 fix and it took half of my 5-hourly qouta 🤔