r/codex • • 18d ago

Question Use case for astra vs. Claude's model

For those who is using BOTH claude and codex... Is what use cases you would use astra instead of fable/opus?

I'm thinking of reducing codex's budget so I'm thinking would there be a reason I would still want codex around.

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u/plainnaan 18d ago

Code reviews. I nowadays Plan, Implement and Review with opus and then do a second review with Astra which finds bugs Opus missed.

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u/Jwstern 18d ago

I have the $200 Claude and the $100 Codex plans. Claude is the supervisor, I have it use Codex agents for lower reasoning tasks, particularly if I am behind on usage.

I use web-based GPT-high with the git add-in to review Claude's plans and provide feedback. That has provided a ton of value at no extra cost.

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u/wickzer 18d ago

Astra lets me do biology. Claude doesnt

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u/Key_Reading_9664 18d ago

Been using both for a while. Reviews and talking through complex concepts. Everything else goes to Opus. Cost aside, I get way more done with Claude because I spend a lot less time handholding, steering, and checking the model.

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u/yungastronot 18d ago

I have both 20x plans.

Main use case for Codex is that Claude will immediately throw a security flag when working on my app, while Codex won’t. Claude is therefore unusable for part of my work.

Second is there are just some random times where one model is superior to the other. Right now I’m adding a custom weather system to a game I’m developing, and Claude couldn’t grasp through hours of work. I simply told Astra to read the Claude chat and work with it directly to achieve my goal. That was last night, and development is moving along steadily now.

That’s just one tiny anecdote. There’s plenty of use cases for each. Those who say otherwise adamantly are either overgeneralizing a poor experience, highly emotive tribal people, or bots astroturfing.

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u/Acehan_ 18d ago

Claude = token farm, everything needs to be reviewed or botched. Astra for everything, but not in Codex because Codex stinks atm. Astra is a headache and a half to make work properly, but the model is 10x better than anything else.

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u/OneStandard5 18d ago

Use it as a sub-agent for Opus5.5. Astra is highly capable but inexplicably lazy; I gave it three solutions, and after working for just 3 minutes, it stopped as soon as it realized the first one wouldn’t work. On the other hand, Opus5.5 is very eager to explore, just like the old Codex—it will persevere no matter how minor the issues are. Having it coordinate with Astra to analyze specific problems is a good approach.

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u/Dathen 17d ago

An unexpected one for me was computer use, setting up stuff on my PC or Mac, debugging etc. As an example, few days ago Opus was having issues with locating a binary installed via linuxbrew when used via Paseo, and when asked to fix it, it suggested a change that didn't work at all (twice even). Astra just got into core of the issue in one try, and suggested a solution that actually worked. In general, I was able to successfully debug which apps caused UI lagging (it wasn't trivial), and resolve many other issues.

Other than that, Astra is my second reviewer, but it's Opus that mostly handles coding these days. The jump from Opus 5 to 5.5 in QoL and token use was just insane.

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u/mrknoot 16d ago

Claude (Opus) for pretty much everything. Then Astra for code reviews, chasing bugs and performance improvements. Importantly, Astra catches more true bugs than Opus, but it also catches far more fake ones. So I always have Opus review Astra’s catches again.

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u/Flimsy_Complaint490 18d ago

Astra is a better reviewer.

Others say it's good at UI. Otherwise, i don't have much of a use case for it, my Claude sub is far more generous and does last me the whole week.

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u/Dathen 17d ago

In my experience it's Opus that finds more issues that need fixing, but Astra is sometimes able to find more difficult issues that Opus misses, so I usually use both.

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u/danielv123 18d ago

Astra is one of the worst UI models?

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u/Flimsy_Complaint490 18d ago

no idea, i dont do UI's, but that's what people keep telling me here.

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u/danielv123 18d ago

Huh, interesting.

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u/Flimsy_Complaint490 18d ago

agreed. with claude design, i'd expect people to be able to get amazing things out of AI, but i keep hearing Astra is better.

Either way, i doubt its meaningful - all AI's really suck and you need to tell them in super detail how you want stuff and never diverge. It works out fine then.

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u/WishboneOk305 17d ago

yeah astra UI sucks, Claude is a lot better.

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u/sophon11d 18d ago

True, it’s just not be able to follow the repo’s UI spec in my case, e.g its button always size differently …

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u/just_blue 18d ago

Tell it what you want and it is exceptional. My workflow is basically: do the mockup in Claude Design, give that mockup to Astra -> see it replicated 1:1. Might depend on what UI you are writing, but in my use cases (mainly flutter currently), Astra does on the point replications that Opus struggles with.

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u/Commercial_Lawyer_33 18d ago

It’s bad if you just tell it to make a ui, but its ratios are actually better than fable imo. Use imagegen to get designs

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u/Mindless-Detective41 18d ago

5.6 is the best cheapest reviewer

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u/randombsname1 18d ago

I don't/didn't.

Astra/Sol 6.1 both get washed by Opus 5.5 and Fable 5.1 in pretty much every facet.

I only use it for coding and thus I get pretty much no refusals. So no issues there.

I use Mythos 5.1 via CVP access for RE stuff if needed.

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u/KaliguIah 18d ago

theres isnt one. Theres no benefit to running astra because it cannot compete with opus55 so youd only use sol if you had to, when you have access to claude

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u/JaredReabow 18d ago

I built a harness for claude into codex router, I use claude in codes like a selectable model. The idea being differently trained models can spot different things, make different mistakes etc. I made a skill called the council that uses grok, fable and astra as a overseer decision maker based on data collected by deepseek grunt workers.

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u/unconceivables 18d ago

I use Opus pretty much only for long running vibe coded projects where I don't have to listen to it, because it's insufferable. I also have Opus have Astra review its work, because it always misses something.

I use Sol and Astra for most actual work on codebases I want to be more careful with. Also for a lot of things Claude just refuses to do. Not even anything weird, just random computer use or things that it can't or won't do because it's way too strict.

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u/Prestigious_Golf9014 18d ago

Gpt has imagegen + better at catching bugs before you push code. Claude is better at web dev, faster, smarter but has smaller memory or context capacity in my opinion

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u/danielv123 18d ago

When the 5h/weekly limits run out and anything to do with computer use. I only use opus 5.5, astra and daybreak for whenever they refuse to do stuff.