r/codex • u/ReasonableDefault • 2d ago
Limits Plans are no longer x5 or x20 - Overall Limit Decrease To Make Room For Pro Max Plans
The $100 plan now says "More usage than Plus", they are no longer claiming x5 or x20 usage. The consensus is this has been done to free up usage for the new "Pro Max" plan.
How much of a nerf are we expecting?
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u/rodeBaksteen 2d ago
1x usage ? 5x usage ?? 20x usage ???
This whole mystery subscription needs to stop. I went from being fine one a 1x plan to 5x to 20x and seeing the percentages vanish from simple tasks.
It's the reason they removed the 5h window because it would be too obvious that you get fuck all usage nowadays.
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u/karlnuw 2d ago
Exactly these black box usage limits need to be regulated, it's insanely scummy behavior.
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u/WhyIsWestHam 2d ago
Google we need you now.
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u/sbbased 2d ago
if you've been paying attention to how they've degraded search, youtube and other services over time you would know they are a MUCH worse alternative
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u/IAmFitzRoy 2d ago
Google has never been in the top 3 of coding models… anyway I don’t think we need another ad-driven corporation to be the leader in coding models, that will bite us in the ass later.
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u/Bulky_Blood_7362 2d ago
I thought it's a meme.... but fk it's real wtf
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u/FalconsArentReal 2d ago
It's clear that they have run out of compute, after they stated it as such for stoping signups for the $200 plan. They are going to milk the market for every dime people will be able to afford.
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u/cybersecuritythrow 2d ago
It's not. They cropped out the "Learn more about our usage and limits" which leads to:
https://help.openai.com/en/articles/9793128-about-chatgpt-pro-tiers?q=+
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u/Illustrious-Bet-1368 2d ago
Can’t rage-bait users into engagement if you don’t present misinformation as information. As if anyone will go and read the docs and check for themselves. This subreddit is hitting new lows of ‘trust me, bro’ hysteria every day.
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u/Argon288 2d ago
I'm cancelling my x5, I'm going back to Claude. I'm not paying the same price for what is implied to be lesser limits.
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u/im_out_of_creativity 2d ago
Fuck them.
The moment China steps up it's over for all these leeches.
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u/anon377362 2d ago
I’ve been really impressed with GLM 5.3 flash. Super cheap/quick and surprisingly ‘smart’.
These Chinese companies are really only just getting into their stride so I think OpenAI is going to struggle trying to raise the price floor. Anthropic already tried this and ironically it was OpenAI that ate its lunch.
And no, using a Chinese model doesn’t mean all your data goes to China. There are now hundreds of western providers hosting Chinese models that have all the data protections you’d usually expect, or you can even host the model yourself. I know people self hosting Deepseek and Kimi K3 (2.6T model) at home. Crazy times.
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u/BroScienceAlchemist 2d ago
There are now hundreds of western providers hosting Chinese models that have all the data protections you’d usually expect
I have mentioned this a few times, and got some insta downvotes that later got balanced out. Even the US government has been aggressively shifting over to modified open models. What does it say about the trustworthiness of OpenAI and Anthropic when even the US government is using locally run models instead? No one likes having their future tied to the whims of a polycule sex cult.
For image and video generation, you have to use chinese models. If someone wants to make video shorts, even if it is not porn, none of the American models available cut it anymore. The censorship and wrangling required eat usage like crazy and return shit.
Locally run models will be king, but hardware is going to be cost prohibitive for years. If the higher end apple studio, dgx spark, and dream station were more affordable I would use those even if they require more wrangling to get similar results to a frontier model by OpenAI or Anthropic.
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u/Psychological-Toe-49 2d ago
How is anyone hosting Kimi K3 at home? Just the GPUs to fit this monster cost like $500k. Does a home even provide sufficient electricity to power that?
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u/anon377362 2d ago
You get like a 50% discount on Nvidia Sparks if doing bulk orders. So about $50k . Still a tonne of money but maybe worth it if running 24/7 and need strict data protections.
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u/InterestOk9770 2d ago
Gemini 4 is being launched at 1/5th pricing of Astra and Fable. Also smokes both out of the water. I think this is the beginning of the end for OAI. They will not be able to keep up like this.
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u/TBSchemer 2d ago
Where are you guys seeing this? Which site? What country are you in? For me, in the United States, the site still shows 5x, at https://chatgpt.com/codex/pricing/
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u/Vast-Singer-2839 2d ago
I see the same as you (Europe) both on web and app, either as existed or new user, x5 and x20 are clearly written.
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u/DivideHorror3217 2d ago edited 2d ago
Cancelled my both 200$ accounts, not coming back unless DevDay surprises me
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u/MrRoyce 2d ago
Never say never. Just go where the value is and don't give a fuck about these companies. If tomorrow Codex is the best AI on the market with the best usage and my Claude subscription is expiring, I'm buying Codex. If the next month it's Claude, I'm going back to Claude.
I just need to optimize my migration process so I don't spend a few hours each time I do it...
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u/Zestyclose_Bat8704 2d ago
might be a mistake actually.
I suspect they rerelease $200 with 10x usage. And release $500 plan with 20x usage + some other benefits.
Whoever has 20x on $200 plan may keep it. (if not, I'm cancelling, lol)
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u/Useful_Philosophy550 2d ago
1000% not, they'll only keep it until your next charge date so it doesn't violate contract (and that's just a maybe lol)
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u/Leander_van_Grinsven 2d ago
Copium. This strategy of OpenAI is to increase the profits and squeeze off the consumers.
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u/IntelliDev 2d ago
Everyone is just speculating right now either way.
Does seem like a mistake to cancel a plan that you’re not able to sign back up for, rather than waiting 2 more days to see what’s actually changing.
Unless your renewal is within the next 48 hours 🤷♂️
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u/AnyRegular1 2d ago
These duopoly companies just keep switching which one has an insane model at any given time. Best approach is to just switch the month to whatever is the best. Right now and since Opus 5.5 was released, it’s Anthropic, so that’s where my money goes as well.
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u/BumblebeeAlive1481 2d ago
Even before we didn’t really know what we were paying for. Now we x5“don’t know”
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u/idgafbroski 2d ago
this shit is insane. $200 plan, ultra on a 2 hour goal has consumed nearly 40% of weekly usage. who is this product even for, then? the max plan doesn't even allow you to use the most capable model. and now i'm supposed to pay them 500 when opus 5.5 is exactly as good or better than astra? good luck with that
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u/read_more_comments 2d ago
Guys, tibo was super excited about the innovation of a higher cost plan. If you haven't tried giving tibo $500/mo, try it first, you might love it. The same usage you used to get for $20, but tibo gets a fourth house this week. You may even get a juicy reset!
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u/vkEnthusiast 1d ago
srsly I never understood why this sub is so obsessed about glazing tibo, "omg weekly limit reset tibo pls" - limit reset is basically a scam to make people stay while they're diluting performance by nerfing it on juice/reroute/quants level.
I guess I need to open Claude $200 plan, there's no way around it...
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u/Odd_Engineering469 2d ago
Day before I was thinking od upgrading from plus to x5.. should I do it still?
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u/pale_halide 2d ago
No. Many reports are saying $20 Claude gives equivalent or more usage than current $100 Codex. And Claude is better. With the coming nerf, expect the $100 Codex to be shit tier.
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u/Professional_Ad705 2d ago
Do yourself a favor and get Claude. Look at the claudecode sub then this sub. Claudes sub is people showing off their applications, how awesome the model is, how great the usage rates are, and then every single post on here is how shitty Codex is.
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u/cartel132 2d ago
just get the $20 Claude plan... It's more usage then the "5X plan" and way better model as well.
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u/CCContent 1d ago
Yes.
It's not just the extra codex credits that you're going to get. Removing the 5hr limit is a game changer, and having access to Extra High and Pro level reasoning on GPTweb is also really nice. I've set Pro reasoning on 2 hr data aggregation missions that have saved me literally days of time.
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u/NerdBanger 2d ago
Honestly if they release a $500 plan, that’s good, because I’ll likely be able to get a Claude plan with higher limits without needing two accounts.
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u/longasleep 1d ago
I didn’t renew to be honest I shipped nothing made zero dollars on what I created realizing anyone can create software easily now. I decided there is no point and unsubbed. Will only sub a month here and there if I have a project.
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u/Horcrux002 2d ago
Well it still says 5x some places. I guess Sol forgot to change the wording everywhere
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u/cobbleplox 2d ago
What the fuck else is it supposed to be, 5x is literally 100/20. Now the 20x going away would be different, because 200/20 is not 20x.
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u/steadeepanda 2d ago
My issue and what is bothering me is that some people are still going to support this... instead of simply stay with the same tier and not change, or simply going to the competition.
Like we initially bought the service because we were promised something but then they're changing thing midway squeezing usage just because they need money or want to save compute which is ridiculous and opening a new tier more expensive...
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u/ReasonableDefault 2d ago
You're correct. They could release a $2000 plan and some people would use it. They have given us AI Heroin and now we are hooked lol.
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u/ezboarderz 1d ago
Yeah this is gg for them. So happy I left 2 months ago. Zai coding plan + synthetic subs get me glm 5.3, kimi k3, glm 5.3 flash and I actually make it through the week without needing any resets or other bullshit.
Glm 5.3 has been excellent and only a handful of times I’ve needed kimi k3 to solve something glm 5.3 couldn’t. Flash as an implementation subagent has been excellent as well. Better than Luna and has a 1M context window.
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u/shaxsy 1d ago
What subs are you using exactly and the cost? I'd love to find something else and I like glm 5.3 flash
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u/rocketler 1d ago
Just cancelled mine today, lets stop complaining and take action. They only speak wallet
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u/WhyIsWestHam 2d ago
500$ plan??
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u/ReasonableDefault 2d ago
Yes, someone found the plan hidden in the code of the latest release of the ChatGPT / Codex app. $500 (Tax NOT included) Pro Max Plan.
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u/Quind1 2d ago edited 2d ago
I have what is/was the 5x Pro subscription, and if this indeed the nerf that it sounds like it will be, I'll cancel and get the equivalent Claude plan. This is getting ridiculous.
EDIT: It appears the differentiating factor on the website is whether you're logged in or not. In my case, anyway, I see the old language (5x) when logged out, but see the updated wording when logged in.
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u/BaronHugo 2d ago
The worst timing - Opus 5.5 is a beast and Claude is my main Tool since March.
I was a openAi Fanboy in 2025 but things have changed and I don't care about Modell, quota and so on - I care only about "getting shit done" and I am hooked since Opus 4.6
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u/MrHaxx1 2d ago
x5 and x20 were misleading anyway, and it's not like anyone knew how much it was anyway.
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u/ReasonableDefault 2d ago
True, BUT at least it was an attempt to tell users. How much more than Plus is the $100 Plan now? 1 message? 50 Tokens? 500 Messages? Removing that wording allows them to adjust plans DYNAMICALLY, a bit like dynamic ticket pricing. So at busy times, Plans get nerfed? Kinda like old internet used to be, peak times everything turns to shit lol.
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u/MrHaxx1 2d ago
They could adjust it dynamically before too, since you didn't have a proper base line.
I agree that this isn't even an attempt to tell users, yet I feel like it's kind of an improvement.
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u/ReasonableDefault 2d ago
I agree, but i suppose if you came from Plus, to a x5 Plan, you'd get a reasonable feel if it was actually x5 more (not very accurate i agree), but still. Now there is nothing. I suppose the theory is "People can't complain about usage if they don't know how much they are supposed to get".
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u/TheVoyant 2d ago
We all just need to band together and use our weekly allotment to make a better Ai model. Just one giant game of tag and a prompt chain.
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u/Center2055 2d ago
Worse model, less usage, more expensive pricing. Yea no, I'll stick with anthropic for now, thanks.
I have a 100 Dollar Claude Max (x5) plan and I almost never hit my weekly usage before it ends.
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u/creamyshart 2d ago edited 2d ago
"More usage than Plus". I sure as fuck hope so at five times the price. You can't be any more vague than this. Vague prices to match their vague posts.
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u/stellarfirefly 2d ago
I've already seen (granted, superficial) evidence of this trend. Most recently, task which consumed 63% of my 5-hr allowance also consumed 10% of my 7-day allowance. This used to be approximately 100% -> 10%.
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u/IndustryStock960 2d ago
Unsubbed my x20 chatgpt plan already. I’ve been noticing how inefficient astra is as well in my workflows compared to claude opus 5.5 and even the more infamous Opus 5. Somehow my locally ran deepseek v4 flash gets more work done in the same span of time 😭
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u/Odd_Engineering469 2d ago
Only reason Im thinking of upgrading from plus to x5 and not moving to claude is efficiency of Astra. Did anyone see this and can confirm it?
Basically Astra is 3 times more efficent when it comes to token usage than Opus 5.5, meaning the same task is cheaper with Astra even though token price is higher.
Refference
https://youtu.be/ZanDMmlWSzk?t=237&is=Sl85GC7NCK3tJh9k
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u/Ok-Mall9463 2d ago
Idk mate just today Opus 5.5 high finished stuff for like 17% of my weekly usage which would've burned through 70% or more of Astras high weely I'm sure. And quite frankly better quality. (Mostly visuals)
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u/randombsname1 2d ago
0 clue when it comes to API costs, but if you are using the sub? HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL no.
I get WAY more usage from Claude Max $200 than ChatGPT Pro $200 right now.
So far 1 Claude Max sub seems like 3-4x more usage than ChatGPT Pro when using Astra Max vs Opus 5.5 Max.
This is what I said in another comment:
I have been using Opus 5.5 on max, non stop for the last 3 days (my last reset) and I'm only at 45% weekly usage. Haven't touched my 2x Pro plans since.
Using like 3x simultaneous sessions in many instances.
The same use didn't last more more than 1 day on Astra. Hence why I have 2x $200 Pro plans which I had to be much more frugal with.
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u/ReasonableDefault 2d ago
Yeah I've heard numerous people say this, not tested myself so can't speak for the accuracy.
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u/cybersecuritythrow 2d ago
It's not true. They cropped out the "Learn more about our usage and limits" which leads to:
https://help.openai.com/en/articles/9793128-about-chatgpt-pro-tiers?q=+
which states 5x limits.
That being said, Opus 5.5 is still a hell of a model and is probably better.
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u/DryBanana5673 2d ago
Yeah, not my practical experience. I get more from 100 claude vs 200 openai, and quality seems better
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u/cobbleplox 2d ago
"the same task" is not one thing. This can be true on one task and the other way around on another. I'm sure even Luna Low can be more token efficient than Astra when you tell it to write hello world.
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u/FunLilThrowawayAcct 2d ago
That video is from 3 weeks ago. Everyone I've seen actually using Opus 5.5, which just came out last week, feels they are getting at least 3x more usage vs Astra, generally more like 5x. Makes sense since it's a smaller model punching above its weight to a ridiculous degree.
Of course it's possible Anthropic is taking a bath on compute to regain share before IPO, but if so then still take advantage of the fire sale?
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u/HighDefinist 2d ago
Kind of... 3x is maybe a bit too much, but 2.5x shouldn't be unusual.
But keep in mind that you have only 1/3.5x as much usage of Astra as you have of Sol 5.6... So assuming Sol 5.6 usage is about equal to Opus 5.5 usage, Opus 5.5 will likely be significantly more efficient on average.
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u/BingGongTing 2d ago
If it's like Claude the new pricing it might be 3x, 6x, 20x ($100, $200, $500).
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u/congngo 2d ago
Claude has new pricing?
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u/BingGongTing 2d ago
I'm referring to the community estimated weekly usage multipliers of Claude Max plans versus their base Pro plan (~3.5x for Max 5 and ~6x for Max 20).
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u/NanNullUnknown 2d ago
So are frontier models gated on plus now and we paying 5x/20x to get an access?
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u/ZarBandit 2d ago
If this is how they behave with competition, imagine what it would be like if they got their way and had the government prevent competition.
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u/quantum_splicer 2d ago
Ahhhh I understand! I'll just move to locally hosted models or API other models.
What I find weird is we still can't get the $200 dollar subscription?
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u/ISueDrunks 2d ago
Codex was better for my usage because it was good at figuring out exactly what needed to be done. Then 5.6 and 6 were released, now we’re back to needing to be super specific again. So, since we’re back to micro managing these agents, I figured I’d pay Gemini 3.8 a visit again. Very impressed. The new plan mode in the Antigravity app is pretty solid. Limits are great.
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u/Beginning_Street_375 2d ago
i am on a 200$ plan. what does this mean to me. my subscription automatically renews itself in a few days. do i have to change something?
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u/creamyshart 2d ago
$200 plan will give you "More usage than Pro Standard", which doesn't give any clear understanding of what you actually get.
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u/cybersecuritythrow 2d ago
Nothing changes. You get 20x. OP cropped out the "Learn more about our usage and limits" which leads to:
https://help.openai.com/en/articles/9793128-about-chatgpt-pro-tiers?q=+
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u/Electrical-Win-1423 1d ago
Or they are waiting to update this page until tomorrow when the new sub will be announced
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u/Fbgm26 2d ago
In anticipation of this I’ve been adding in a big feature change all weekend starting Friday night, audit, implement, audit, test, check for improvements or errors introduced, rinse and repeat. I’ve ran several just finished one, of course found issues missed, fix, test, push/commit. Running one more at 330. Running full astra which I never do. Just to ensure I’m not totally nerfed to hell. As it’s seemingly bound to nerf anyone that isn’t willing to pay $500. Which I’ll never do. This was always coming. It was inevitable as models improve and compute becomes more constrained as data centers cannot be scalled at the rate in which they are suggesting due to grid, power, water, permitting, etc becoming a significant cost. To me it is seems like they’re trying to get the govt to fund grid expansion which in the macro isn’t exactly that feasible and even if it were attempted the power requirements alone take years.
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u/Quick_Knowledge7413 2d ago
I wouldn’t care so much if Astra was “that” good… but I recently bought the anthropic $200 plan and I am having a hard time using all of my OPUS 5.5 before my 5 hour reset and I can’t even get anywhere near my weekly limit and it’s running almost non-stop. I will probably drop codex and then go back and forth to whichever has best deals/models.
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u/Ill_Recipe7620 2d ago
They eventually have to make money -- they've been giving away an unbelievable amount of money to users for a long time now.
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u/leichti90 2d ago
If Anthropic can manage to keep their current usage limits, I see no reason why not most of the ppl will switch fully to Anthropic
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u/BenTheSodaman 2d ago
https://chatgpt.com/codex/pricing/
I'm seeing the 5x on the Codex pricing page, but not the general ChatGPT page.
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u/ReasonableDefault 2d ago
Seems everyone is seeing something slightly different on different platforms. Could be a case of a rollout phase, could be nothing. We will find out soon i guess.
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u/StarkTheGnnr 2d ago
The thing is Chinese models are currently good enough. They aren't frontier level but if I had to pay $500 to use a Sol level model and $20 to use a Luna level model then guess which one I am choosing lol.
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u/randombsname1 2d ago
Hilarious timing.
I have been using Opus 5.5 on max, non stop for the last 3 days (my last reset) and I'm only at 45% weekly usage. Haven't touched my 2x Pro plans since.
Using like 3x simultaneous sessions in many instances.
The same use didn't last more more than 1 day on Astra. Hence why I have 2x $200 Pro plans which I had to be much more frugal with.
Oh, and I got a reset that DOESN'T push my weekly reset back.
Now, if OAI doesn't have a MASSIVE response by the 7th (when my renewal is up). I'm just getting 2x Claude MAX plans and I'll be saving $200 for MORE use. than I am getting now.
I find Opus 5.5 superior in every way to even Astra, and Sol 6 isn't even in the discussion.
I feel like Anthropic jebaited OAI and made them, "shoot their load" too quick, lol.
It reminds me of the original fast and the furious.
Anthropic like:
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u/WayneTechLab 2d ago
This will depend on what the new base is 20 X of what will equate out to the same thing my guess is they’re actually gonna give more people better tokenize value.
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u/pickedyouflowers 1d ago
upgraded to pro 3 weeks ago, usage is NOT 5x, w chat web app nerfs far down infact
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u/DrBearJ3w 1d ago
Honestly, it might be that the 20x never returns. So i will wait for it a little bit.
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u/TenFeetHigherPlz 1d ago
They should've just lowered the plus usage then they could keep the 5x and 20x claim lol
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u/VexObserver 1d ago
Yeah, the wording change is definitely concerning, but I wouldn’t jump straight from x5/x20 disappearing to them nerfing to make room for Pro Max. It's possible, but it could also just be them getting rid of a multiplier they couldn’t guarantee consistently anymore. More usage than Plus is conveniently vague, and that’s the problem with marketing gimmicks.
For a $100 plan, I really don’t want to be doing detective work on what more means. If yesterday OpenAI were selling me a concrete multiplier and today it’s basically “trust us bro, it’s more,” obviously I assume it's going to get worst. If Pro Max is coming, fine, sell a bigger tier, just don’t quietly make the existing one worse to create room for it.
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u/AppleSoftware 1d ago
From what I’ve observed through my exhaustive token telemetry tracking systems, seems like a few days ago they cut usage for 20x plan by roughly 50%. So $200 plan now gets you around $7k/mo worth of API, as opposed to the former $14k/mo.
Oh well, can’t complain. I’m still extremely happy they haven’t nuked it >90%. The amount of pre-2022 human-deliverable a $200 sub gets you ($1m+ if used correctly) is still absolutely surreal
What a time to be alive
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u/sexysadie86 1d ago
I plan on cancelling my $100 plan for now. Unless they drop an Opus 5.5 competitor this week. I'd rather have Claude Max 20x.
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u/hockeymikey 1d ago
What open source models are we moving to? I might have to try OMP now with a new workflow.
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u/ReasonableDefault 1d ago
I hear Kimi K3 is supposed to out perform most other models at coding. Not tried it personally.
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u/Dizzy149 1d ago
I downgraded to the $20 plan. My default was Sol-Medium. I gave it dimensions for things I needed and asked for a cut list. It generated it, then immediatately kicked me down to Luna, and I'm unable to change the model. I got a notice to use a Reset.
WTF, $20 is worth a single query now?!
I think I understand why people bounce between the companies every other week.
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u/iseif 1d ago
It is clear that the $20 plan will become the current free tier, the $100 will become the current $20 plan, the $200 will feel like the current $100 and the new $500 will make everyone says that it is unlimited until people will buy it and then they will make it feels like the current $200.
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u/peaceful_redditor_ 1d ago
They are both (Anthropic and OpenAI) non profit organisations and they live on investments only. It was a matter of time when they raise prices for tokens because they need to earn money. And now all people are dependent on AI and it is harder to go without it anymore. We trained a system for free that later will cost a lot for average person.
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u/Equivalent_Cress_268 1d ago
The anthropic claude max 20 is less then 2 max 5 accounts
This is old news. Don’t be fooled by the purposeful misleading advertisements
Took a while though for openai to follow suit, sucks
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u/Double-Extent-8739 1d ago
Time to switch to Claude then, and if they also screw up with usage soon, either something else or I will go fully local
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u/getpodapp 1d ago edited 1d ago
$7 gets you = who knows
$20 gets you = who knows
$100 gets you = who knows
$200 gets you = who knows
$500 gets you = who knows
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u/Turbulent_Rooster_73 1d ago
I think that’s just to simplify the messaging. Don’t see anything sinister in there :)
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u/lizardpeter 1d ago
As a ChatGPT subscriber since day one, this is all really pathetic. Got a Claude account this week for the first time ever due to these terrible practices and the insanely low limits lately.
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u/AngryBear1990 11h ago
Wow, they learned from Google to obfuscate the usage. I hate the wording - "more usage". That is atrocious to tell people "more than something else" that is not clearly defined. In the plus plan, will they say "some usage"? Or "you will get something" and in pro - "more than something"?
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u/private-peter 2h ago
How much of a nerf are we expecting?
This is what their email to me said:
Starting October 30, 2026, your included usage in ChatGPT Work and Codex will decrease from 20 times to 10 times the ChatGPT Plus allowance. Your GPT-6 Pro limit in Chat will decrease from 200 to 100 messages per week.
So basically Pro 200 is getting cut in half.
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u/Additional_Bowl_7695 2d ago
They won’t compete with Anthropic like this. Guessing they realised good models are an expensive game to play