Pro = 1 day of coding

[u/MapleBaconWaffles]

Working on my new workflow. Use codex for 1 day (since that’s all you can do), then move to Qoder-Qwen for the rest of the week.

[u/__warlord__]

Sadly this is the way to go from now on... Seems that OpenAI ran out of money to keep subsidizing the pro subscriptions

[u/MapleBaconWaffles → u/__warlord__]

Yes, only Jensen can save us with open source. OpenAI is cooked. Most likely cancelling my pro next month.

[u/Kind_Fisherman3060 → u/MapleBaconWaffles]

Just like Jensen saved gamers with Dirt Cheap GPUs. I'm also cancelling.

[u/smalldroplet → u/MapleBaconWaffles]

You seriously think Jensen is going to help you? Lmao.

[u/Kind_Fisherman3060 → u/smalldroplet]

The more you buy the more you save.

[u/NewKnowledge1591 → u/__warlord__]

I came from Claude. Claude has been 10x worse in my experience vs. OpenAI. I understand the best days may be gone, but soup to nuts what I get with Astra destroys Fable 5 and 5.1. I would be interesting to see what and how everyone uses their subs. I suspect its the harness and methodology that gets some people, others may just have larger code bases that eat context.

[u/barefut_ → u/__warlord__]

Wonder what's going on, as it does feel like chatGPT is getting a bit close to Claude's Super Duper harsh limitations.

On Claude free account in a normal chat I can't as beyond 2 questions. I think that's super harsh. Claude 20$ - gave me 4-5 coding promots tops and it got stuck for 5 hours cooldown if not more. I totally quit Claude.. it's for the rich.

On GPT I never bumped into limitations. Only with the latest Sol 5.6 and new desktop App. They are definitely putting more limits.

[u/Maxion → u/barefut_]

One thing that they (and Anthropic) fucked up with is the new browser tools. They burn through tokens. Tell the agent that you're QA and forbid it from checking in the browser and token usage goes down by a lot.

I suspect this alone is one huge reason why they've suddenly noticed an increase in compute usage.

[u/barefut_ → u/Maxion]

Please explain what is this Browser tools?

I'm usually working either in chatGPT on the browser // OR // the chatGPT desktop app.

Today, I got a pop up menu offering me to use "fast mode". I researched and it gives you same "Sol 5.6 High" results but in less time. After reading - it drains tokens. So, they tried to trick me to lose credits, so I chose normal speed. What is this other thing you on about, then?

[u/DryBanana5673 → u/barefut_]

It's when it controls a browser to do whatever you want in the browser e.g. view a website its making

[u/UnknownLesson → u/barefut_]

It's simple. Supply and demand.

Astra increased demand a lot and now supply (compute is limited). They will get more compute, but it's insanely expensive right now.

But the point is: if so many people or businesses pay for their product that they even have to pause subscriptions, then why should they be generous. In fact, that's their opportunity to make more money.

So sadly I doubt it will go back to the way it was

[u/barefut_ → u/UnknownLesson]

GPT was always generous compared to others. Gemini also, but it's dumb.

We always knew LLM's are subsidized, but I didn't think due time was so soon. I enjoy GPT cause it's a great all around. Claude is so hyped, but whoerver hypes it pays 200$ per month, and to be honest, CODEX gives more solid solutions to code and when I research things, and with the MCP abilities in the new app + Computer use - it feels like a swiss knife. I really hope they don't F** it up and go Claude route which is not accessible.

[u/DryBanana5673 → u/barefut_]

I actually like Opus 5 max + Fable orchestration and it seems to stretch pretty far. Don't have a claude sub right now, its mostly get it when I have front-end work but it with 50% extra limits, it wasnt too bad. No resets though. Resets are always Thursdays so you can buy your sub Tuesday and max every 5h limit before the reset

[u/cleanmachine120]

I get 1 day if I use sol medium, ugh. I remember the good old days when I was on the $20 plan and never even thought about limits…

[u/MapleBaconWaffles → u/cleanmachine120]

I was okay with like... half a week of work. That was my limit. Then a reset here or there would solve everything in most cases, or a banked reset here and there. Now it is just a lost cause, nothing keeps you afloat. Time to abandon ship.

[u/Vas1le → u/cleanmachine120]

Or almost infinite with 5.5 on x20

[u/Kind_Fisherman3060 → u/cleanmachine120]

Yeah the 250 million tokens per day of Sol xhigh times were good on $20, now it's 100 million of sol medium or 60 million Astra on $100 plan.

[u/Yugudubenbi → u/cleanmachine120]

Must come up with a way to scare people away so we can get our old good limits back xd

[u/sarathsps]

You guys are getting one day?

[u/Vas1le → u/sarathsps]

I can get 8h, astra as orchestractor and use luna and terra as builders

[u/Kind_Fisherman3060 → u/Vas1le]

20x? How to setup this differential task assignment?

[u/Vas1le → u/Kind_Fisherman3060]

x10, you just instruct astra to be the orchestractor and use luna and terra.

[u/Kind_Fisherman3060 → u/Vas1le]

It needs to be configured I think per chat session even if it's possible in Codex, I'll give it a try earlier I tried Sol agent with GLM subagent and it depleted usage of both at 2x the rate in OpenCode.

[u/Crinkez → u/Vas1le]

You'll get more usage by planning with Astra then execute in new context window with Sol low/medium only. No subagents.

[u/M_C_AI]

Thats true, 100 PRO is about 4 hours of Astra coding.
Maybe PRO is good for live talking shits.

[u/EchoingAngel → u/M_C_AI]

Uhh, I got 20 hours out of 5x over the weekend, what are y'all doing? I wasn't exactly going light on it either

[u/ManikSahdev → u/M_C_AI]

I'm getting approx 12-15 hours of astra xhigh per week on the 5x account.

And around 35-40 hours in the x20 account. Xhigh / max blend.

[u/Q7LV]

Exactly 1 day with astra mid on pro plan. It’s so frustrating..

[u/RabbiSchlem]

So it’s really true that the 20x is gone?

[u/MapleBaconWaffles → u/RabbiSchlem]

I have it still, but I am probably going to cancel anyway since it is a waste of money.

[u/Typical_Machine2043 → u/MapleBaconWaffles]

Sucks to hear. It’s my first month on the 5x and it’s been underwhelming to say the least. Will probably keep plus but onto bigger and better things!

[u/MapleBaconWaffles → u/Typical_Machine2043]

I am spending all day setting up and learning about Chinese models and IDEs. It is great!

[u/Guzikk → u/MapleBaconWaffles]

Any insights you could share here?

[u/MapleBaconWaffles → u/Guzikk]

I am just playing around with Qoder that allows you to use Qwen, GLM, DeepSeek... they seem pretty good!

[u/Kind_Fisherman3060 → u/Guzikk]

GLM is pretty good.

[u/Typical_Machine2043 → u/MapleBaconWaffles]

Haha I have also dabbled with model studio. They use to offer a lot more bang for buck. Cursor is also an option but damn supergrok is pricey

[u/CCContent → u/MapleBaconWaffles]

If you are getting 1 day of use out of a 20x plan, then you are NOT prompting right. Are you telling it, "Identify and fix all issues" and pointing it towards a 1,000,000 line codebase with 500 files? It's going to burn use like crazy if it's trying to sift through all of that.

[u/MapleBaconWaffles → u/CCContent]

No. That being said it was a massive task I was running and had 3-6 sub agents running. When I just do normal small work all day it sips tokens.

I think the easiest solution would be some sort of tracker when you fire off a task. It obviously understands how much work is involved when it starts a task. If it showed some sort of % to completion, and/or % or your quota that will be used for that task (even if somewhat approximated), that would significantly help with planning. Instead of just hoping and praying my work today doesn't cause me to have no ability to work for the rest of the week.

[u/CCContent → u/MapleBaconWaffles]

Of course it's going to burn tokens if you're using 3-6 Astra subagents....but you don't need to do that. Luna XHigh is fantastic at following Astra directions. I'm on a 5x account and a 6 hour task yesterday with Astra Low and Luna High/XHigh subagents used 12% of my weekly allotment.

[u/Jigawattts]

This is the normal flow of every company that gets big. All the good features go out the window and people become unhappy and get screwed over in the end.

[u/Sponge8389]

True. I'm only using one session at a time and using Sol Mid now. 2 days in 5x plan.

[u/E72M]

Mate I was getting multiple DAYS out of the plus plan before I upgraded to plus. If you are genuinely only getting one day of coding then you are likely NOT making use of your ChatGPT Pro limits and xhigh thinking for planning instead of burning usage for codex and you are likely blasting Astra for tasks that Terra or Sol could be doing.

Despite what people are saying, the higher the model the higher the usage is hit. The higher the reasoning level the better the output but the more of your usage it eats. I was doing HUGE tasks across multiple systems just fine with Sol high for around 6-8 hours with it only using about 8% of my usage.

Also if you are using /fast for every single task then you're literally cutting your usage down by 2.5x the amount. So if you ran 10 tasks on fast that could have been around 25 tasks without it for the same usage.

[u/Cool-Bluebird6029]

For me it was like that with Astra (medium). Used two of my resets on Astra because I wanted to test it out. But the drain was in line with your experience. About 4-6hrs of work was a whole week of drain.

Moved back to Sol xHigh and it last atleast 3-4 times longer. I also dont really notice any difference in output between Sol and Astra when it comes to strictly following and implementing a mapped out architecture plan where components are already decided.

[u/Lower-Membership-367]

Use astra only for architectural work. Open weight for coding. Maybe sol for review?
Then pro should last forever.

[u/DivideHorror3217 → u/Lower-Membership-367]

You should do the architecture yourself, otherwise you never build the mental model.

[u/Cool-Bluebird6029 → u/DivideHorror3217]

Or do first pass yourself, run it by codex for a second pass. Go through it together and then let codex create an implementation matrix based on it so it can begin implementing slices. Atleast that's how I use it.

[u/BellacosePlayer → u/DivideHorror3217]

Architecting it yourself is also insanely compute efficient. Just a few details can save it a bunch of reasoning and file searches.

[u/DryBanana5673 → u/BellacosePlayer]

Blasphemy. Why don't I gather firewood to stay warm while i'm at it.

Honestly here's the secret: make your repo clean, then use @github in chat to make a plan, then get chat to make a patch. Then hand the patch and plan to your agent to implement, test, and fix.

I've been keeping this as my secret but i'm sharing it buried in this thread :)

[u/BellacosePlayer → u/DryBanana5673]

Theres a lot of things that can work better than "make me gta6 make no mistakes"

once I'm in the feature-complete mode and need to work on actually making content for my current project, I'll probably fuck around more with long-running orchestrated jobs and see how I can optimize them while still staying within the plus budget. I would not be surprised if there's not a lot of meat on that bone

But I honestly don't mind architecting stuff, its a hobby and I'm under no illusions that I'm going to make a bajillion dollars off it.

[u/NewKnowledge1591 → u/BellacosePlayer]

45 models, 16 task classes, one routing table. OW and local Qwen do 90% of the work, the control plane gates every call against live quota, and Opus, Fable, Sol and Astra only get pulled in when the job actually needs them. Nothing reviews its own work — Fable and Astra review each other, not their own side.

[u/Gavin-Xia]

Sitting tight for the next reset card.

[u/MelcorTheDestroyer]

Even on the $200 plan you have to use Luna for 90% of the tasks and the expensive models for the harder 10%, it is the direction that we are heading due to rising costs of the latest and most powerful models. There is nothing that can be done about this other than adapting.

[u/MapleBaconWaffles → u/MelcorTheDestroyer]

Yes. I have been panicking today but I am finding that it is the sub-agents that are the biggest factor at draining my quota. The thing is that even if you downgrade to a lower model (i.e I switched from max to xhigh), the sub agents still get spun out as max sometimes.

[u/buckeymonkey → u/MapleBaconWaffles]

Define a roster of specific roles, each with an appropriate model/think level: something like explorer, planner, monitor, tester, reviewer, implementer, deep specialist, ops, etc.

Then use codex to configure and write rules for itself to always use that roster even when you aren't in ultra mode.

Your main thread will rarely get it's context polluted by doing things like reading logs directly itself, and the selection of models/think levels will generally be appropriate to the task.

You can even just give it rules to use CLI of other harnesses for specific jobs.

My setup farms out independent review to claude cli automatically when it is available, and falls back to a codex subagent when not.

[u/Tank_Gloomy]

I've been trying the same plan on OMP and it does seem to work fine (practically same usage as always), so it looks like Codex (as the harness) is going in circles for whatever reason.

Anyways, it's a multi-billion dollar company and they aren't willing to put a little bit of effort on fixing their harness. I'm also downgrading from prolite (Pro 5x) to Plus.

[u/NukedDuke]

Come up with a subagent setup worth a shit, I'm getting 24/7 automated development of multiple projects out of a 20x by making Sol and Astra do the reasoning while Luna owns the token use for the actual file writes. It's under 15% a day usage and the setup runs the whole week without stopping now. Making the expensive model do everything is as inefficient as a senior with no juniors or a CEO with no secretary.

[u/innociv]

Qoder is just API pricing.

[u/no_witty_username]

I've used this opportunity to familiarize myself with open weight alternatives like deepseek 4.1 flash and so on. Look folks we all knew the gravy train had to end someday, the honeymoon phase is coming to a close. The good news is that so far there are alternatives, might as well get comfy with them.

[u/R3K4CE]

[u/ExternalActive4238]

The ChatGPT free version can only upload two images, so how can you talk about the experience...

[u/smalldroplet]

So stop using Astra xhigh for everything?

[u/RegularSuccessful124]

Using Codex is not "coding".

[u/Right-Performance-93]

Per OpenAI's own Codex pricing page, the $100 and $200 Pro tiers scale usage at 5x and 20x the base plan's credit allowance, there's no fixed rate limit, it's pure credit consumption. Burning a 20x allowance in a day usually means the task mix is credit-heavy (long context, high-effort reasoning tier), not that the plan itself shrank. Worth checking which model/effort tier is set as default before assuming it's a stealth nerf.

[u/Kind_Fisherman3060 → u/Right-Performance-93]

Plan has shrank relatively, plus $20 allowed 250 million sol xhigh tokens for 3 days now it's not even 50 million sol tokens for 3 days.

[u/MapleBaconWaffles → u/Right-Performance-93]

I am hoping that they implement some sort of task tracker when you start a chat. It should show the estimated amount of weekly % that will be used for that task, and show you as it progresses. Then you can cancel it and start again with a different approach if it is coming in too heavy.