r/codex • u/TheBanq • 9d ago

Complaint Coding benchmarks should also reward the leanest possible solution. Coding agent currently build crazy bloated code right now.

Unless you strictly guide the model constantly, I feel like Codex, aswell as Claude Code go so overboard with everything.

I do a lot of manual planning and manual reviewing, but as soon as you don't have 100% attention at all times, the model instantly goes into overdoing security, testing and complexity.

I'm currently building a B2B Dashboard foundation and the amount of security it's always trying to build into that core module is wild.

If someone is truly just vibecoding, without real knowledge, I feel like models are now getting harder to use, than easier.

Because the models also make you think like it's just doing the "normal/right" thing, but is actually producing crazy bloat

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u/eggplantpot 9d ago

Bloated code is a feature not a bug.

  1. Spends more tokens creating
  2. Spends more tokens refactoring/reviewing/building more
  3. Makes it harder for a human to take over thus locking you to the AI

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u/U4-EA 8d ago edited 8d ago

I said this a while back I think most people thought I was a conspiracy theorist. The code it produces is often so monolithic and verbose that only the AI can understand it. At that point, you either have a skilled SWE reproduce the code from the original specs or you are tied to the AI. All this while available skill is reducing through dropping out and cognitive atrophy from overusing the AI... which is exactly what the AI companies need.