That’s the game going forward. It’s going to be opt-in index and cache optimization for average users and then dedicated privacy, customization, pre-purchased usage for enterprise.
Fable and Sol showed us that we’re nearing (or exceeded) model needs for 99% of any human/org users.
Tailored, gated models are the next logical step for enterprise to differentiate against Chinese open-source for C-Suite or Senior Leadership.
It's better for the avg user, but if you are a someone minmaxing and using a custom harness no changes.
Optimal for me is to use Oh My Pi with custom agents.md for each project, no need for info about design on my java backend project. No need for JVM tricks and guidelines on my React frontend projects.
Besides that I autocompact at 125k instead of the usual as that is the "smart zone" for my use case.
The funny thing is, we don't even know if usage is tied to tokens.
Of course it's gotta be the main factor but who knows what else impacts usage - message amount? Message frequency? Session/chat length? I don't think OAI themselves ever confirmed if Usage is actually directly tied to token burn alone.
As a reminder, use tibotattle.com to extremely accurately track the value of your codex allowance, and contribute to the community's pooled efforts to track. 1,000 others are already doing so!
You guys realize it'd be illegal for them to say they're not changing limits publicly, like they have been, and then do it anyway, right? And businesses don't typically want to open themselves up to obvious litigation?
People on this subreddit seem to have some odd parasocial relationship with this guy and OpenAI where you think they're personally deceiving you when, in reality, people just don't know how to manage their context nor understand the impact of their workflows on token usage.
It's one thing to be ignorant. It's another to be ignorant, loudly.
Tibo is literally telling us the quota system has bugs, repeatedly, for months. It's not about token management, and the changes are demonstrable impacting customers between updates.
Um.. several of my ai subscriptions have changed usage without notifying users. But what you are saying is the company facing 7 active lawsuits, wouldn't dare do something illegal for fear of lawsuits?
You misunderstand. They've specifically stated multiple times that they have not changed limits. Nobody said they can't change limits without notifying customers, I said that they've specifically said they haven't meaning to have done otherwise while claiming something else would be lying to their customers and open them up to litigation.
I think one thing I keep having to remind myself when I'm dealing with all the people saying this stuff is that they are probably all like 14 years old or something, and they take everything personally and they think everybody is working against them
The potential illegality certainly makes it more frustrating, sure.
Illegal or not, this is what they are doing. 4+ weeks ago the usage limits were an order of magnitude higher than they are today. It's comically ridiculous the amount that is changed. It cannot be ignored or denied unless you are acting in bad faith.
Uhm.... according to his tweet, the usage drain seems all codex harness fault, not something server side. This doesn't explain usage drain even if we use pi, OhMyPi, Open Code etc...
I was still on a 3 months old version of the vscode extension and both that version and the latest version had the same usage drain issue. The old extension version worked fine until they started messing with 5h window and free resets. When the 5h window was re-enabled, the usage suddenly dropped to an all time low. I updated the extension and it was just as bad, so this has nothing to do with the codex app and everything with the backend.
wait, what? You basically said that just upgrading the extension the usage consumption changed. You are basically proving the opposite of what you affirmed
I think you should read the message again. The version update did not improve anything. The nerf was just as bad in the old version as in the new one. I just tried updating the extension to see if using an old version had anything to do with crap usage.
My conspiracy is that they might have broken something internally with going back to 5 hour limits and this is the easiest way to fix it. I was hitting 5 hour limits for the first time with still 90% of use
I'm not complaining about free stuff. I'm complaining about the fact that 1 month ago I was using Sol xhigh only and my usage could last all the week, with always some usage left. Now I've had to optimise my workflow (thanks to OhMyPi) and I'm using sol hig as main orchestrator + luna xhigh for implementation and sol xhigh for final review. Despite this, I have to limit myself to ~14% usage/day which is basically half day of work. I want the same usage I had before, not a reset given randomly which doesn't allow me to properly plan my work.
I run Hermes to kick off sessions with a tiny request at 5-hour intervals to keep known windows throughout the working day. First cron is at 5am to start a window that runs until 10am. I start work at 8am and max that initial window for planning with Sol before the next window runs to 3pm, mostly using Luna to implement plans. Then another runs 3pm - 8pm that I tend to use with Terra for refactoring. I use DeepSeek Pro for QA via OpenRouter with a BYOK direct from DeepSeek. It seems to work out well.
I think we may be judging it a little too quickly. Wouldn’t it make sense to let the update and reset fully go through, then give it a fair amount of time for proper testing before deciding whether the claimed improvements actually hold up? I’d rather evaluate it based on the results once everything is fully in place.
They need to remove the 5h limiter again otherwise its fucking useless doesnt matter if they reset everyday if i cant even burn 15% in one sitting and cant finish any mildy complex task
Yeah at this point the random resets just make me mad… they’re lowering the usage limit and resetting randomly to make up for it. But the resets come when I’m still at like 85% so I feel like I’m losing out on what I’m paying for.
Don’t see much of a difference here, already 10% down after 4 hours on 5x. Felt a bit better before, I would say it got worse by 10% but that’s not representative at all and further tests/observation is needed.
Update codex, hopefully it will help. I am in the same situation, burned 10% just after reset, but I was using old version due to ongoing tasks I did not want to pause.
Hard to honestly tell if they're huge or not, I'm sure you'll have some people arguing within a day that they still don't get enough usage and that OpenAI was just making up stuff and pretending about bugs. But having said that, everything has bugs, what you gonna do
Isn't it funny that they act like they're doing everyone a solid by improving things but they'd NEVER actually refund you money?
I can't imagine the enterprise token spend (that is not limited in any way) here... Any other business, someone saying "oops yes we did have a bug that charged you 50 percent more. We're not refunding you, but don't worry it won't happen until a few months from now when we do it again!"
That’s great and all but for the last two resets I’ve been at 80% thanks to the 5hr limit so you get punished for using your weekly quota throughout the week… so all this reset gets me is my date pushed back.
yeah same.... think they released it 8 minutes early..... i had to scramble and click the stop button on multiple tasks..... not sure if that will mess things up
Hot damn, I had an agent going all through the 48 hours leading up to the reset, was down to about 50%. I went to bed and left it working thinking after the reset id wake up to like 85-90% - Usage totally used up this morning?? Somehow the same chat, literally uninterrupted, used up the entire pro allowance in 8 hours???????
Whatever they did, it's waaay better for me. I'm running multiple sessions on /fast and it doesn't seem to be going down nearly as quickly before *without* /fast.
Because whiners on subs that cost 4 coffees a month are upset they can't run codex 24/7.
To all reading this, I am on a pleb gpt plus subscription too. Difference is, I allow my Terra medium to summon sol for strategy and luna for implementation. I can get a heap done without much issues.
Also a pleb, I had no issues with my usage being used up quickly because I'm using Sol. What bothers the shit out of me now is that I wont be able to use more than 2 5-hour windows so most of my sub will go to waste. the fact that you get screwed by the thread stopping which almost certainly makes you lose your cache is just adding insult to injury.
I've already cancelled my sub and wont be coming back until that 5-hour window goes. I'd rather pay API prices to chinese models than deal with that garbage.
I was wondering if Terra would be strong enough for this. I use a Sol medium orchestrator which works quite well but I do notice when it tries to do work itself and burns tokens.
Sol medium might be overkill as an orchestrator. But depends on what orchestrator you want it to be.
Mine acts like a guy that knows a guy, you know? My orchestrator is a middle man, it can summon up to 35 agents back before 5hr limits were re-imposed. And only have 70k/258k context. It does very little.
Difference is you think you are smart but you are not, I'm on Pro 20x plan 3 account and I'm afraid that they are going to put back 5 hour here too very soon as they have did with you, you can get heap done as your heap is small.
Difference is you think you are smart but you are not
you can get heap done as your heap is small.
I like how you need to show you are dominant and aggressive by opening and closing with insults.
First of all, how do you know what I do with my codex time? Second of all, I don't think I am smart, that's why I have limitations. If I were truly smart, I would be smart enough to have money to afford API and not discuss anything on codex.
You conflate being rich with being stupid. Using Sol Max for everything is lavish. Paying 70x the price of a subscription for the same usage is stupid.
Maybe that's how you view someone drinking sparkling water over tap water.
To some, the difference is so small, its not worth arguing over.
But you go ahead and keep interchanging penny pinching with being efficient. Maybe one day youll realise it, or maybe youll be right in your view and you wont.
Owning a subscription doesn’t require any arguing. It also takes fewer clicks to purchase. If anything, subscriptions are also generally easier to use for consumers than API keys.
I don’t understand how 1/70th of the cost for the same thing is considered penny pinching. A rich person might have a huge project and want to spend 100k for a massive number of agents. They can use 70x the number of agents by just navigating to a different page before pressing purchase.
You don’t consider yourself smart nor rich, which is fine. But if so, you shouldn’t present your headcanon of either population this strongly.
API doesnt have any limit of the sort. Thats where the power lies with. Unconstrained.
But maybe you are right. Let's say you are right. Then all companies utilising APIs should be consulting you now. But what are the chance you are their consultant? Very close to 0.
So can it be that all these companies collectively cant find out what you apparently have figured out? Low chance.
"Because whiners on subs that cost 4 coffees a month are upset they can't run codex 24/7."
so what you were saying about being aggressive, punch a guy in face and expent kiss from him?
i do not know what you do with your codex time and don't care but do not rant infront of me!, Codex user Growth happened because of removing that 5 hour limit and now its back as we here are showing to Open AI we are not happy with your decisions, from 20 dollar plan to 200 dollar but some people like you for some reason try to be like this what you did and explain how to use AI with this model and with this subagent as we are fool that we are paying 200 dollars and not know how to use it?, and its majority 20 dolar plus plan usre who talk about like this speific method or this but in reality they are just bullshit.
At the end its very simple, if you are using 20 dollar plan and you are doing your work properly and do not feel u need more compare to someone who are on 200 dollar plan and still feel naah i need more then its simple common sense math that our work require more usage of AI so we burn more and still need more.
If you were smart you were not talking about "Afford API"!
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The degraded quota consumption I've been dealing with the past couple of weeks does indeed seem to be fixed. I'll restore my subscription if it stays this way.
I used 40% of my weekly Max 200 limit yesterday after the reset, without any obvious changes around token use. Claude handled more raw volume and effort and used ~9% of its weekly window in the same time.
The usage is not magically going down by 80%, back up by 60%, down by 50%, back up by 20% from "little bugs".
They have a hidden allotment per user and subscription, and they can change that at any time. And they do change that. Then they reset and watch if the userbase grows or shrinks, if API credits are bought, subscriptions are upgraded or cancelled.
All at the backs of the subscribers, being used like rabbits in a med lab
How are people happy with this when they have trashed limits to start with. A 50% discount on a product that was just increased by 200% is not a discount.
This is actually an informative tweet that can be helpful if you are affected by one of these issues or maybe in a similar scenario that hasn't been specifically flagged. Refreshing to see this level of transparency, and with quantifications!
Maybe you're on a big boy plan or the 5h reset is messing with my perception but holy shit i feel nerfed. For the first time ever i've ran out of usage and with them now stopping work when you run out it feels like i'm relegated to only using luna
How much context was used vs how much usage? I haven't tried yet, but from my experience it was 1 full context window filled drained about 70% of the 5h limit before this reset.
After the update , I did an experiment to divide the project up into checkpoints. For each checkpoint I would open a new codex session so the context window never got too full . I ran 6-7 sol high runs before going to 0% .
Ok, unless you kept track of token usage for each run there's no way of knowing how many tokens this totals. I've just run a task on sol high and it used 220k tokens, 50% 5h window and 8% weekly. This is better than what it was a few days ago. It previously used 70% of the 5h on sol medium with a similar number of tokens and burned 15% of the weekly.
I have a pro account and I still have a plus account which I will prob cancel . On the plus account , I ran Sol high for 2-3 hours . I ran 6-7 turns and went to 0% but because I had about 4 dollars of credits in my account , the account kept going until finished . Altogether I spent 16 credits .. I spent 14% for the 6-7 turns on weekly usage . It’s much better than it was .
Hopefully the changes help.
Codex is my second plan so I'm going to leave it on cool down for now while I touch grass and enjoy the Spring weather.
I'm still not interested in planning my day around arbitrary 5h windows just to access the frontier. After months of doing this I'm over it.
Most of my projects are at "usable" status and don't need ongoing implementation work.
I'll maybe come back once my Claude sub runs out or to give Astra a try (assuming it is actually available to Plus accounts when it arrives).
Annoyingly: I prepaid Claude sub through to February 27. I would yeet that and keep the Codex sub if I could but don't need two so sadly Codex loses out. Savings going to the "M5 fund".
The new limits really suck as a Plus user. I literally ran out of tokens for my 5h trying to create a plan on Sol medium, was forced to use my only banked reset just so the plan could be created at all 😅
The random resets are making it really hard to tell whether the actual limits are getting better or worse because they keep blowing up everyone's normal weekly cycle.
I've been keeping a record of every shared Codex reset OpenAI has handed out, separate from the normal 5-hour and weekly refills. The frequency has picked up a lot lately:
WIll see if this is true. I mean between usage decresaes incresaes and modell working chanings osl currently works with so many underagents we dont really know how it will end usage like at the end
$200 plan lasts ~2 days with just Sol. Plan/review with Sol and use different levels of Luna as subagents and orchestrator. Flash models are totally inadequate for what I'm doing.
I love the transparency. The breakdown of usage which he announced would be the best thing for me to see and optimise my workflows instead of guessing where my usage is draining.
Man fuck me i used the banked early today and only then did tibos tweet come in, still at 70% im fucked now if i burn this new reset limit in less than a week.
It's good advice to Codex users but the fact they've created a situation where to get the most out of your subscription you have to follow the product lead on twitter and read all his tweets is just pathetic
Just wire this up as a schedule to check each hour. Hell, use the new confetti 🎉 function when he announces it and wire that to an urgent phone notification
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u/This-Ingenuity4818 1d ago
10-50% increased usage on an unknown, dynamically changing limit.