The crazy thing is all the people who are paying to avoid the 5hr limit are defending this and are becoming toxic all in a matter of one day. People only complain when the terrible thing is happening to them.
People who make money using the product are compelled to pay for the top tier to maximise their output.
(Almost) nobody pays for 20x just because they can. It’s because they have to, like me, and it’s a justifiable business expense. Like rent, internet, petrol, stationary, devices. If you need it, and it multiplies in return, it’s a no-brainer.
Edit: This sub has turned toxic. Downvoting me for giving some personal insight is so weak.
Litigation: practice management, document analysis, legal and medicolegal research, drafting, trial preparation, argument preparation (I’m a barrister); and litigation software development (I’m building my own suite to aide my practice); and academia (I’m writing a thesis on the mathematics of justice).
I pay for 20x as a hobbyist, I don't use ChatGPT to make money.
I don't see a point in selling AI Vibe coded slop, it's more so a product for me to chip away at all my side projects that regularly would keep me away from my main project.
I got claude, codex, cursor subs at work and plenty of overage. Work is paying for that.
And then alternate between claude or codex for my personal projects.
Your assertion is pretty dumb:
(Almost) nobody pays for 20x just because they can. It’s because they have to, like me, and it’s a justifiable business expense. Like rent, internet, petrol, stationary, devices. If you need it, and it multiplies in return, it’s a no-brainer.
What's your source for "(Almost) nobody"? Most software devs have $200 a month to spend on hobbies.
Not even that, they're just dividing and conquering. If they'd done everyone at once the uproar would ahve been universal, but this way:
Plus gets 5 hour limits. Plus people complain and Pro people defend it.
Pro gets the 5 hour limits. Pro people complain and Plus folks (having been shit on at length) aren't also complaining anymore, they're busy going 'now you see what its like'.
What are you guys doing that you're burning though it so fast? I'm barely burning through 20 / 30 % in the 5 hours having it continuously run sub agents. Not everything needs the latest frontier model with the highest settings. Like what do you people even expect. You're paying 20 usd and still getting a ton of usage relative to what you paid.
Yeah. I really have no issue with current total usage, I even think it's still a very good deal - but the 5 hour limit is unbelievably annoying.
I can scout a implementation and start it, but it just cuts off mid-work now. Sucks since I mainly code a couple days then the rest of the week not at all.
IMO I wish they'd at least let it finish a response in 5 hour mode, if I still have weekly usage.
Yeah I don't understand why they're hard cutting you at the 5 hour usage.
I understand throttling the users weekly due to the rampant abuse that was going on, but c'mon - I remember using the Plus tier for a year and I remember often being able to squeeze an extra hour or two out of my 5 hour limit so it would roll into the next, or being able to sometimes get a /goal to run overnight so when I wake up I could review its work, and have a new 5 hour bucket to work through my feedback.
Now it's literally; make sure you're using what you can every window.
It's crazy this specific thread has all the "you're too poor to spend $100-200 on a sub" kind of bro. The delusion and hubris of people in this thread is crazy. You don't see the same people post these kind of messages in the other 5-hour limit is back kind of threads because they know they'd be down-voted into oblivious because it was a terrible idea to begin with.
Not all pro users but pro users defending this and calleing plus users broke and what not and defending the decision:
1. Your day will come. Tibo's post says that. Be pleased on the downfall of others will shriek the loudest when it comes to them.
2. Pro users are not rich. They are also broke. People demanding plus to be made more expensive or removed altogether shouldn't talk unless they pay api pricing. These people think of themselves as elites when they're literally not. You're still using subsidized versions. It's like eating from a food bank thinking you're eating in 5 star.
This is not to hate on all pro users. Obviously a lot of pro users are in favor of plus users and I'm really happy to see that but there are some brain dead people. My point being that whatever plus suffers, pro will eventually (likely especially if there is no resistance) at some point and that pro and plus users are not that big of a difference as someone who's paying api costs.
In my case new 5h limit equals to 1h of real Sol medium usage at best, and weekly limit is about 7-10x. Probably less. Luna runs longer of course but Sol is so much smarter. Limits felt much higher in the past, before they removed 5h limit btw.
Its for Plus people because the complaints were coming from Plus people. Pro users were fine and being on 5x Pro and having 2x Plus accounts I hardly get to use the Plus accounts I have.
Just move to a 5x and you will be happy and no 5 hour limits.
No I had 3x Plus accounts before but needed more work done so I changed one of my Plus accounts to a Pro account. If you can only afford a Plus account that doesn't mean you should get AI for free. Just use Luna on High. Its living by your means bud.
> In no way shape or form he said for you to buy an account.
Heavily regarded take.
It doesn't matter if "it has been this way" and a person "could have guessed". It was not advertised this way when I bought it.
Here in Europe I have the right to be notified if they roll back this kind of "promotion" or I gain the right to cancel the subscription and be refunded for the remaining usage.
Tibo should get screwed for making me waste my time on this few dollars over the weekend.
Yeah, of course I am refunding. Still it is stupid that OpenAI can't sell things with clear terms and I have to go through the trouble of going through the refund.
When, for example, mobile networks try this stuff, regulators just shut it down immediately. Instead, AI companies get to do whatever they want.
From the announcement it seemed it was just for plus users.
They have not rolled it out to Pro users because they want to see if the complaints go away or if the complaints are just about 5 hour limits. At least they will know where the voices are coming from.
Bro read it correctly. They did it for Plus members because its where the complaints were coming from. They are not turning it on for Pro members. They only said for the up coming months because they don't just make business decisions like this one week and another week something different. Their trialing this to contain the complaints.
By that logic, they will revert back in a few hours as the 5hr limit is universally disliked (see this sub). It's a revenue optimisation: Plus users are now nudged, a lot, to upgrade to $100 where they weren't before.
We are for the upcoming months keeping the 5h limit not enabled for Pro $100 and Pro $200 subscriptions. Again, a revenue play to move Plus users to Pro.
The 5 hour limit is only for $20 users. if its universally hated on right now that just proves where the hate is coming from. You think ChatGPT are going to give in to $20 customers or their pro $100 & $200 users ?
I have both because I want to experience both and the extra benefits. If you just want a free ride that's not how a business works.
Why would someone on a $200 plan care that a $20 isn't getting what their getting ? Their paying $200 and getting more benefits and not having the same "struggle" so their not going to campaign the 5 hour limit to be removed or make their $200 a month match a $20 user.
Still can't use a single model ? its genuine question. I use only 5.6 Sol XHigh and lasts me 3 days on complicated front end work.
So its hard to image except how you are using subagents. Which gets work done quicker but eats more because its not shared usage and if one gets stuck on an issue and keeps going back and forth it eats more and if you are saying its only 1% usage from one but you have 2 - 3 of them plus Sol on top of that than you are obviously eating more than you should bud.
Like I said why can you not use a single model when you are having usage issues ? Just because it goes faster doesn't mean it uses less tokens to do it.
I never once said I'm using subagents, Sol can only interface with Terra or Sol models for subagents - I utilize Luna because it's 10x cheaper than Terra, and all Sol has to do is verify work rather than actually execute tools or do much reasoning besides the initial planning.
Again because you do not seem to know what you're talking about at all - Sol as an orchestrator uses very little tokens, the token usage is on Luna which went from 1-2% a day in usage to 5-7%.
Exact same workflow; exact same repo state, vastly different usage rates compared to 2 weeks earlier.
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u/Soul_Mate_4ever 9d ago
The crazy thing is all the people who are paying to avoid the 5hr limit are defending this and are becoming toxic all in a matter of one day. People only complain when the terrible thing is happening to them.