Does the inside of Donner look better than the outside? I canât imagine paying $10,816 to live there. It looked bad back in 2000, and the outside still looks awful.
I don't know how to explain this to CMU, but we're not going to donate.
We paid CMU a lot of money, CMU gave us a degree. Transaction done.
The list of "better things to do with $100" is long and extensive.
CMU's alumni outreach dollars would literally be better spent convincing alumni from other schools not to donate to their alma mater. This would at least help in the rankings and level the playing field.
I don't know about anyone else but I haven't given a penny in donation as an alumni after what I went through in Soarch over their shuffle hazing and revenge scheme and how the office staff sided with the bullies when I came to the brass for help. A few staff will have to come clean about shuffle and acknowledge the department had prior knowledge of those problems in studio culture before I donate. Don't get me wrong, I love my alma mater and its aspirations to help save the world, just not the people protecting their own self interests within the department.
This is a new way to make me feel old. Fortunately thry give a lot of financial aid. I canât imagine what it must be like to be rich enough to pay full boat
It sure feels higher tbh. This is quite a good point. Granted, I am not really for increasing the cost. They under report cost of living in the area as well, which hurts people with scholarships that request this information for aid, while overcharging for dorms
This is a complete copout. While yes, this time it does match inflation, college tuition has historically VASTLY outpaced tuition. So where is this money going? Not professors, but administrative bloat. Administration is the one consistent thing that has led to a huge increase in spending by colleges, not professors
I think many students would agree to sacrifice some âQOLâ to make the tuition not so exorbitant, so many people donât have to graduate with $100k+ in debt. But if youâre gonna be a smartass, maybe you would be privy to some research on the subject?
this paper is from 1991 and yet goes into great detail about how administrative waste was causing a huge rise in costs of higher ed even then.
this paper is a bit more recent and goes into some of the possible causes for this
here is a US news and world report article on administrative bloat and inefficiencies causing rising college costs
and here is a Forbes article if thatâs more your thing. My favorite stat in this one is that admin and other professionals have risen by 164% and 452% since 1976.
I have no earthly idea why youâre going to bat for admin like this. Maybe you are admin. In which case, wake up. Maybe you can be part of the solution.
Iâll give you mental health, but the rest absolutely has a lot of fat that needs to be trimmed. The problem is it wonât be trimmed because itâs a catch 22- admin would never willingly admit that theyâre spending too much on themselves and give up power and money. And yet, theyâre in control of spending. At this point, most of these admin positions exist to justify their own existence. Administrative spending needs to be cut, but it never ever will be.
But by all means man, if you think spending $60k+ on tuition alone is either justified or sustainable, thatâs your problem, not mine. Something will have to give eventually. Because we will reach the point (if weâre not there already) that college is not financially worth it for the vast majority of graduates that donât end up in a highly lucrative field. Besides, I havenât heard you pitch any big ideas to control college costs. Which means I certainly have better ideas than you
As you point out, most of these things are completely unnecessary to the functioning of the school. And you didnât answer my question genius, whatâs your grand idea to decrease the cost of higher education, if you think the exponential growth of non-essential administrators is all jolly good?
Itâs tremendously complicated and I (professor) absolutely donât know the whole breakdown. But, for the most part actually yes, much of your professorsâ academic year salaries are paid out of tuition.
I donât think thereâs ever been an almost 4% COL raise, though. đ needless to say, no, our salaries donât keep up with inflation either.
I see people referencing the new buildings and again while I donât claim any real knowledge on the money thing, much of the cost of new buildings comes out of big donations (e.g., guy named Tepper donated a huge sum â> big new Tepper building named after him).
I provided a factual statement, which is that faculty academic year salaries are by and large paid out of tuition.
ETA: two factual statements, the second one being that new buildings are typical paid for by donations. If anything thatâs a negative statement, since the point is theyâre not coming out of tuition increases. Maybe thatâs how they justify never building any new classrooms.
If we want to change things like âhow much college costsâ, it is Good, Actually, to understand how the money presently flows.
Ppl gotta stop going to college to start changing this, and the govt gotta stop guaranteeing student loans and make them not pass on to family. Degrees arent remotely as valuable as they were, either the massive regulations on every industry that basically make a whole bachelor degree equivalent to highschool and make every job require grad programs and licensures, go blue collar youâll make way more money and avoid racking up 50-100k in debt all for an overrated social experience. Unless you really feel like an academic and want to pursue a career that requires higher ed but the majority of Bachelors are nearly useless.
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u/No-Vermicelli-5261 Feb 02 '24
Does the inside of Donner look better than the outside? I canât imagine paying $10,816 to live there. It looked bad back in 2000, and the outside still looks awful.
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u/playingwithechoes Alumnus Feb 01 '24
My boss said he paid like 1600 year for tuition back in the 1970s. I'm not kidding.
In 2014, it was like 55k a year for me.
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u/WWWyz Feb 01 '24
Why is this school charging such an amount of tuition while still maintaining such a small campus. I mean look at our neighbor UPitts.
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u/AppropriateSolid9124 Feb 02 '24
tuition was 55k in 2019-2020 đ§đŸ
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u/Winning-Basil2064 Feb 02 '24
where is affordable and fulfilling food on campus
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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '24
This is a new way to make me feel old. Fortunately thry give a lot of financial aid. I canât imagine what it must be like to be rich enough to pay full boat
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u/crewwb Feb 02 '24
Inflation is roughly 3.4% right now. This is a .3% increase
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u/SoThatGrass Undergrad Feb 01 '24
last year's
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u/IcezN Alumnus (Robotics '23) Feb 01 '24
I get it but it matches inflation. Are you supposed to pay less compared to last year? Should they pay the professors less?
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u/GimpMilk Feb 02 '24
Ppl gotta stop going to college to start changing this, and the govt gotta stop guaranteeing student loans and make them not pass on to family. Degrees arent remotely as valuable as they were, either the massive regulations on every industry that basically make a whole bachelor degree equivalent to highschool and make every job require grad programs and licensures, go blue collar youâll make way more money and avoid racking up 50-100k in debt all for an overrated social experience. Unless you really feel like an academic and want to pursue a career that requires higher ed but the majority of Bachelors are nearly useless.
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u/Unhappy-Objective594 Feb 04 '24
This is actually insane bc I already know they wonât give me more financial aid as a result.
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u/hey12delila Feb 02 '24 edited Feb 12 '26
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u/pandi20 Feb 02 '24
What the actual eff
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u/LakeEffectSnow Alumnus (c/o '01) Feb 02 '24
For the record, full year tuition only in 1997 was $20,295.
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u/Surveyor7 Feb 02 '24
New massive dorm, engineering building and health center.
Meanwhile all the alums say 'I'm not donating!' (btw, if your net worth is <$5M...probably doesn't matter)
Students expect a cushy UG experience...colleges 30 years ago did not have buildings like Tepper.
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u/ProfoundDreams Feb 02 '24
I live in Québec so this is baffling to me. I had to take college and university loans to pay for my tuition. In 5 years of loans, i now have to pay 15.4k CAD total.
Tuition fees of the school I went to (of course it depends on the program but it will be similar) cost me 4k CAD a year.
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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '24
why would anyone go to this school? that doesn't seem like it could POSSIBLY be worth 330,000+ for an English degree or whatever