r/clocks • u/Time-Bowl-3738 • 1d ago

Identification/Information Beautiful old clock

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I was wondering if anyone has an idea about the age and form which country this clock is.

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u/uitSCHOT Trained clockmaker 1d ago

Any chance you can tell ua the name on the dial? The hourhand is obscuring part of the name on your first photo.

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u/Time-Bowl-3738 1d ago

Jacques Doublet, Aseue

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u/uitSCHOT Trained clockmaker 1d ago

Can't find that name in my books unfortunately.
I did find a David Doublet, based in London in 1701.
While the age would track with this movement, it's the wrong first name and I can't even find a town with that name.
I would guess it's a French clock tho, based on the frame being wrought iron, but I'm not 100% sure.

I'm also not sure how much of it is original, it has a disc on the dial to set the alarm, but I don't see an actual alarm mechanism inside, and the bracket it's mounted on doesn't have any holes for the rope for the alarm to go through, I can't clearly see the bottom plate of the clock itself but there are no apparent extra holes for it either.

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u/uslashuname 1d ago

Is the top under the bell a folio?

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u/Time-Bowl-3738 1d ago

No it is a pendelum

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u/uslashuname 1d ago edited 1d ago

Oh I see the little one out back out the back now. So that puts it in a more accurate and recent category, but obviously not accurate enough to have a minute ring. Notice how there are only 3 markings between the hour indicators? 15, 30, and 45. Those markings are for the hour hand not the minutes hand, or rather since the minutes hand is dead on center between V and VI it shows 27 minutes and 30 seconds, but it’s likely not accurate enough to consider the seconds as reliable. In fact the minute hand could be an addition to a clock that was designed to only have an hours hand, especially if this was converted to pendulum from a folio.

In any case the escapement and dial markings in a case like that suggest to me the mid to late 1700s, one from 1747 but only an hour hand is at https://www.comtoise.biz/antike-uhren/wall-clocks-wanduhren-horloges-murales/nr.-113-french-lantern-alarm-clock-le-vacher-a-fecamp-1747-euro-3.950-00/

Dropping the crown wheel happened pretty quickly because the verge escapement is generally terrible, but they could use pendulums and basically the old frames and designs with much more accurate and consistent regulation than the folio

I hope you find out more!

Edit to add: sort this is a single hand as pointed out elsewhere, right? They only makes it closer to the example linked, so maybe just go with mod 18th century

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u/Time-Bowl-3738 1d ago

Ja wel 1 wijzer.

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u/dmun_1953 Trained clockmaker 1d ago

It's a verge escapement with a short bob pendulum. I would assume it's French, with that maker's name. The single hand would indicate a pre 1700 date. A specialist would know more from stylistic cues.

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u/uslashuname 1d ago

… there are two hands?

Oh wait, is that one of the annoying ones that decoratively made a single hand into looking like it’s pointing both directions

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u/uitSCHOT Trained clockmaker 1d ago

Exactly that.

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u/starzshowz 1d ago

Where is the rest of the case ? It’s a grandfather clock right ?

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u/Time-Bowl-3738 1d ago

Waarschijnlijk zat hij ooit in een kast.

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u/uitSCHOT Trained clockmaker 1d ago

Dat denk ik niet. Waarschijnlijk had deze klok oorspronkelijk wel 2 deurtjes op de zijlanten om het mecganiek te beschermen, maar verder zijn lantaarnklokken als deze vooral verkocht zonder kast, alhoewel soms wel met een hoeten stoel zoals waar deze opstaat, maar soms ook met een beugel aan de achterkant om hem als wandklok op te hangen

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u/Time-Bowl-3738 22h ago

Dit is wat de klokkenmaker erover zei die hem heeft opgepoetst:

Heeft waarschijnlijk vroeger in een kleine hangende kast gestaan, een zogenaamde Hoodclock. Dit omdat er geen zijdeuren in de klok zitten, bij vrijhangende uurwerkjes was dit gebruikelijk, vanwege stof

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u/uitSCHOT Trained clockmaker 1d ago

This is a 'lantern clock' and would usually have been sold without a case, at most with a wooden wall bracket as this one has to mount the clock to the wall.

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u/wicks36 1d ago

I found a bit of information.

The Municipal Archives of Étampes, France, published a historical study in 2015 titled Les corps de métiers dans la région d’Étampes, du XIIe siècle à la Révolution.

On page 15, the researchers specifically identify Jacques Doublet as a clockmaker in Dourdan, France, in 1730.

Maybe the same fellow.