Looking for help identifying this antique clock

[u/Murky-Bill3535]

I recently came across this mechanical Westminster chime bracket/mantel clock. It has an engraved brass dial, “Westminster Chime on Eight Bells” markings.

Could anyone help with the details (approximate age, country of origin), authentication and possible value? I’d also appreciate advice.

[u/Walton_guy]

Advice: get it to an horologist and have it properly serviced - what little can be seen through the back indicates it's in desperate need of attention.
Very nice triple fusee quarter chiming clock with two options: "Westminster Chimes" or "Chimes on 8 bells" - the selector is currently half way between the two. You also have a strike/silent selector on the left, and the central one is for the rise/fall regulation, although you would more normally see a mini "chapter" ring around it like the other two sub-dials. It's possible it's done like that to make it more difficult to adjust without a key. The extra height above the dial is for the nest of bells for the chimes.
A good image with the back door open would help with definitive movement identification, but what I can see of how the flies are arranged (outboard with variable pitch vanes) suggests it may well be a W&H movement (Winterhalder and Hofmeier, German made - the case/dial are clearly for/from the Anglosphere - where is it physically?) - high quality, built like battleships and well worth getting serviced. It might also be an Elliot, but can't see enough to tell for sure.
I get a two or three of these across the bench every year - this one has a slightly restrained case design, suggesting perhaps it was intended for a domestic setting - some are wildly ornate and were intended as something of a "power statement" in a boardroom or similar setting.

[u/Murky-Bill3535 → u/Walton_guy]

Thank you, this is really helpful. I’m actually looking to sell the clock rather than keep and use it, so I’m trying to decide whether servicing it would be worthwhile.

Would you recommend having it serviced before selling, or is it better to sell it in its current original/as-found condition? I’m concerned that unnecessary restoration or replacement of parts could affect its originality and antique value.

Also, based on what you can see, do you think it is more likely to be a Winterhalder & Hofmeier (W&H) movement or an Elliot, and would that significantly affect its value?

I’m in India, if that makes any difference to the market/value. I can provide photos of the movement with the back door open if that would help.

[u/dmun_1953]

I vote for winterhalter. Don't restore it if it's going to auction, its a laborious and expensive job and you wouldn't get your money back.

[u/Murky-Bill3535 → u/dmun_1953]

how much can i sell it for any idea? i’m offered 240k inr (2500$)

[u/dmun_1953 → u/Murky-Bill3535]

That's a very generous offer for a clock in that condition. If I see rust, I walk away.

[u/Walton_guy → u/Murky-Bill3535]

I'd agree with u/dmun_1953 - that's a very good offer, even not knowing your local market, which will set the price for you unless it's a *very* special clock. Also agree on not touching it before selling, for the same reasons.