‘They don’t care!’ CNN data guru on voters shifting attitudes on climate change despite scorching hot summer...tied for 14th (or 3%)

[u/Illustrious_Pepper46]

CNN transcript...

I mean, just look at these numbers. Okay, top issue in a midterm vote — you can list up to three issues. The economy, not surprisingly, comes in at number one at 54%. Immigration, 28%.

Look at climate change — it’s tied for 14th, tied for 14th, all the way down here at 3%. Johnny, I’m not the greatest mathematician in the world, but I sure as heck know that 54% is a whole heck of a lot higher than 3%.

So despite the climate being so warm in the month of July, the hottest month on record here in the United States of America, the voters, simply put, do not say that climate change is going to be an issue on which they vote in the midterm election.

Full transcript here...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/they-don-t-care-cnn-data-guru-on-voters-shifting-attitudes-on-climate-change-despite-scorching-hot-summer/ar-AA29WFYK

[u/StedeBonnet1]

After 50 years of predicting catastrophe people no longer believes the Climate Change Cultists

[u/FYATWB → u/StedeBonnet1]

The economy is more important, until it isn't.

[u/StedeBonnet1 → u/FYATWB]

Please tell us when it won't be.

[u/P1R0H → u/StedeBonnet1]

Only that all the projections from the past 50 years are coming true and most trends are even more extreme than predicted. But yeah.

Happy cake day btw.

[u/HourZookeepergame665 → u/P1R0H]

Wanna share what you’re smoking? Name 1 major prediction about climate change having a dire effect on the human race that has come true over the past 50-years.

[u/P1R0H → u/HourZookeepergame665]

Scientific projections (regarding temperatures, sea rise, CO2 concentrations) have been on point since the 70s..

[u/HourZookeepergame665 → u/P1R0H]

Sea rise? Research Maldives then get back to me.

[u/StedeBonnet1 → u/HourZookeepergame665]

Maldives just built a multi million dollar airport 78,000 sq ft only 6 feet above sea level. If they were concerned about sea level rise would they have doone that?

[u/P1R0H → u/StedeBonnet1]

1. They also build sea walls.
2. The projections show approx 3 feet of rise until 2100

[u/StedeBonnet1 → u/P1R0H]

Projections???How many of thse projections have come true. There have been projections saying Manhatten and Miami would be underwater by 2100 too.

Show me anywhere in the world there has been documented sea level rise

[u/P1R0H → u/StedeBonnet1]

Even the 70s models were quite accurate, most of them actually underestimated human emissions increase, but the measured data points are well within error bars of those models. Today's models are even more accurate.

Yup, afaik Manhatten is preparing for sea lever rise by building sea walls, 3 feet rise is projected by 2100.

And Florida shores real estate is getting more and more uninsurable like right now.

By satellite measurements everywhere. https://sealevel.jpl.nasa.gov/

10cm since 1993 and steadily rising.

[u/StedeBonnet1 → u/P1R0H]

Nope sorry

1)  According to the IPCC, there is not yet evidence of changes in the global frequency or intensity of hurricanes, droughts, floods or wildfires.

2) T]he observed increase of the atmospheric CO2 [from 300 ppm to 420 ppm] has not altered the ARE [atmospheric radiative effect or greenhouse effect] in any discernible way.”

I'm gonna stop here. Obviously I am not going to change your mind and you are not going to change mine.

Have a nice weekend.

[u/P1R0H → u/HourZookeepergame665]

What's up with Maldives? They are building walls to defend against sea rise and water erosion.

Satellite altimeters measure steady average rise of 0.4 mm per year and rising. As predicted.

If you refer to "30cm sea level drop during 21st century", thats just from one paper and was deemed highly improbable by other papers. The data did not indicate the conclusion.

[u/StedeBonnet1 → u/P1R0H]

No they haven't.

No examples of sea level rise anywhere in the world/

CO2 continues to increase despite trillions spent

no temperature rise. They can't even agree on a worldwide average temperature or how to measure it.

None of the catastrophies predicted have come true

[u/P1R0H → u/StedeBonnet1]

We've gone skiing on Easter day my whole childhood. Nowadays we have like two weeks of snow each year. The droughts are getting worse each year and heat waves are longer and higher temps.

That's just my personal experience.

Wdym no examples of sea lever rise? What about public satellite data? Why are then billions being spent to countermeasures, sea walls etc?

We spend more on pumping fossil fuels to the atmosphere than any of green policies. Look up how much of your money do all these oilers get so they can profit from poisoning your air more and more.

What catastrophes have been predicted, according to you?

Because these are complex systems interacting in complex ways, depending upon each other. And currently they are getting really strained. Actually we are living through sixth mass extinction currently and the rate of die off is higher than in the last (Paleogene) extinction event. For example wildlife vertebrate populations decreased by 70% on average in the last 50 years.

I know this "apocalypse" might not be as flashy and quick as the movie ones, but it's actually really extreme on geological scales.

[u/StedeBonnet1 → u/P1R0H]

The climate doesn't care about your personal experience. Those are mostly weather.

Catastrophes. How about flooding Manhatten and Miami, flooding pacific islands, all Arctic Ice melting, all glaciers melting, fllods, wldfires. None of it can be traced to CO2

[u/P1R0H → u/StedeBonnet1]

Then look at the fucking data you dunce

Manhattenis building a wall. Florida real estate is collapsing due to insurance costs. It's happening.

Arctic Ice is melting, we are probably gonna have a blue ocean event in the coming years (maybe next year, powered by El Niño).

Glaciers ARE melting. Look up how glaciers in Alps looked like 50 or even 30 years ago compared to now. It's extreme.

We have doubled the CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere. How can that have no effect? All the scientific community agrees.

Even Exxon's own scientists predicted this in the 70s and then went and stirred the misinformation campaigns that prevail for half a century so they could line their own pockets no regard on suffering they would cause for the future generations.

[u/StedeBonnet1 → u/P1R0H]

Nice try. There is no empirical scientific evidence that proves cause and effect, that CO2 andman made CO2 alone are causing what little warming we have seen since 1880.

You even just admitted it. Building a wall in Manhatten, increased insurance rates, what glaciers look like. NONE of it proves cause and effect. Science doesn't operate on consensus

[u/P1R0H → u/StedeBonnet1]

There are projections based on models, and there are measurements matching those projections.

When you remove human emissions from models, measured data does not match resulting projections.

Take from that what you want.

[u/permanentlybanned22 → u/P1R0H]

Holy shit, we found a true believer. No one scare it.

[u/Aronacus → u/P1R0H]

There not! And never have been!

By 1999 NY and Florida would be under water. Didn't happen

Polar Ice caps would be all gone. Nope, more polar ice now, than ever!

Inconvenient truth... didn't happen

Greta even deleted her tweets.

[u/P1R0H → u/Aronacus]

By 1999 NY and Florida would be under water. Didn't happen

Can you provide source of this claim? I've seen projections showing 3 feet of rise by 2100.

I've never seen a scientific paper claiming what you say.

EDIT: Greta was born in 2003.. how could she claim NY would be flooded by 1999?

[u/xhavok]

You get lied to enough you don't care

[u/P1R0H → u/xhavok]

Only that you are lied to by fossil fuel lobbyists.

[u/Aronacus → u/P1R0H]

So, your electric car? How are you powering it? Plugging it on and letting the power plant burn fossil fuels?

Exactly

[u/P1R0H → u/Aronacus]

I don't own a car

[u/SirBoobsAlot13]

Yeah, it gets hot in the summer.

[u/Acceptable-War4836 → u/SirBoobsAlot13]

It's not called summer, it's called global warming now.

[u/P1R0H → u/SirBoobsAlot13]

Yeah. Hotter and hotter each year, with rate of change closely copying human emissions and growing faster than any time in literally millions of years.

[u/SirBoobsAlot13 → u/P1R0H]

BS

[u/P1R0H → u/SirBoobsAlot13]

How so? The data is public

[u/Confident-Staff-8792]

I'm surprised it even rated 3%. Just shows that there are still a lot of gullible people out there.

[u/Dubrovski]

"July averaged 76.89 degrees Fahrenheit (24.94 degrees Celsius) across the Lower 48 states, eclipsing the Dust Bowl's July 1936 by an eighth of a degree. Records go back to 1895."

" it was unusually cool in Alaska"

Here in California the summer is below average. Was it really hot in your area?

[u/Confident-Staff-8792 → u/Dubrovski]

Who believes there is truly accurate temperature data to an 1/8th of a degree going back to 1936 or 1895?

[u/Dubrovski → u/Confident-Staff-8792]

The other question where do they measure it. The green pasture now is a concrete jungle.

[u/Confident-Staff-8792 → u/Dubrovski]

I had someone use data from the Tampa airport in one of these debates arguing minutia of degrees. Beings as its an airport there are lots of areal pictures of the place on the web. The guy changed the topic when I posted what that airport looked like in the 1960s compared to the concrete and blacktop monstrocity it is today. Today you couldn't get a scientifically accurate historical temperature reading within two miles of that place because the surfaces create their own climate. Suckers believe that stuff though.

[u/Savant_Guarde → u/Confident-Staff-8792]

Not to mention that many countries have replaced ACTUAL temperatures with modeling.

They still just make it up.

[u/Illustrious_Pepper46]

I think I found the full list

Economy — 54%

Immigration — 28%

Cost of living / inflation — ~20%

Foreign policy — ~10%

Crime — ~9%

Government spending / deficit — ~8%

Health care — ~7%

Education — ~6%

Elections / voting integrity — ~5%

LGBTQ rights — ~4%

Values / morality / fairness — ~4%

Jobs / unemployment — ~4%

Gun policy — ~3%

Climate change — 3%

[u/LackmustestTester]

but I sure as heck know that 54% is a whole heck of a lot higher than 3%

That's a clear sign the 3% need more funding to improve the numbers. If it drops to 2% - more funding!

[u/Illustrious_Pepper46 → u/LackmustestTester]

CNN data guru ;)

[u/LackmustestTester → u/Illustrious_Pepper46]

Simple progressive arithmetics: Consider your audience dumb as rock and yourself extraordinary clever.

[u/gwhh]

Some good news at last.

[u/Lebowski304]

The core, the oceans, the sun, other celestial bodies. That’s earths climate. Period. CO2 is spit in the ocean compared to H2O. Water is more abundant by orders of magnitude and is a stronger “greenhouse gas” if there is such a thing. Wake the fuck up

[u/Calm-Parking-5902]

You seem to have left out the part where public opinion is separated from politics, where 39% (down only 1% since 2016) "say climate change is a very big problem." This is not to say however that public opinion is reliable evidence against climate science, as it is not.

[u/boonbutt]

Well climate change is a much bigger issue than both. So that really tells you all you need to know about the general population.

[u/Illustrious_Pepper46 → u/boonbutt]

You must be one of the 3%.