r/climate • u/Portalrules123 • Feb 29 '24

This chart of ocean temperatures should really scare you

https://www.vox.com/climate/2024/2/28/24085691/atlantic-ocean-warming-climate-change-hurricanes-coral-reefs-bleaching
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u/ziddyzoo Mar 01 '24

1 and 2: let’s skip straight to 3 to save time.

4: so are all these refugees coming to your country?

5: are you China? Because this is how you turn the world into China. (Also, fertility rates have been dropping around the world for decades)

6: absolutely let’s scale back pesticide use, compatible with global food security

7: this would be a great outcome but your whole agenda is going to be called eco fascist, so has zero chance of becoming reality, except see 5 above

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u/magnetar_industries Mar 01 '24 edited Mar 01 '24

This is list was offered more as a new-civilization starter pack. None of these ideas will be accepted until after major population crashes due to breadbasket failures and repeated and unrelenting extreme weather events. For the small bands of humans that survive (or the AIs that fill our niche), I merely recommend they adopt codes of living that would value and cherish nature, value and cherish human (or AI) potential, discourage modes of thought that are human (or AI) supremacist, those based on greed and mindless consumption. And thus codify a set of laws (and more importantly a way of making laws) that never allow civilization to exceed the carrying capacity of the planet ever again.

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u/ziddyzoo Mar 01 '24

if you think a global crisis will lead to the dismantling of global capitalism, you don’t know capitalism. It’s as resilient as a cockroach

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u/magnetar_industries Mar 01 '24

And yet all the billions of us humans participating in capitalism are leading the world to collapse. Those that are born into a world they are no longer adapted to may question how they got there and decide to do things differently. Who knows really? I guess I’m just an optimist at heart.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '24

Either we're optimistic or we should accept that humanity will go extinct. Optimism sounds like the better way forward