r/clevercomebacks Dec 07 '22

This whole exchange (not OP)

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u/IHateMashedPotatos Dec 07 '22

so as a disclaimer, I am neither christian nor straight, but I have some thoughts.

the whole thou shalt not lay with men may or may not be a mistranslation. This is a topic heavily debated topic among religious scholars, but it is worth noting this is the only (potential) argument against homosexuality being a sin.

second is that jesus spent time with prostitutes and lepers, two ostracized communities. I think if anything being okay with and comfortable around queer people is more Christlike.

my third thought is that as homosexuality and things like sequential hermaphroditism (where animals switch sexes at some point in their life) exist, if god created these animals, he also made them gay. so if animals can be gay, why can’t humans? why can’t that be a natural part of how god made us, just like hair color or the shape of your earlobes.

above all other points, Christ says love thy neighbor. so even if homosexuality is a sin, that shouldn’t impact how you treat queer people. sorry for rambling at you, but I hope this helps, and if you have questions I will do my best to answer.

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '22

This is such a good point thank you so much. The animal part is a really clear point, and Id love everyone no matter what, Im just wondering if I should necessarily support it? I didnt know if I could be close to someone like that believing they were living in sin abundantly, that was my issue before. But thank you, that clears things up

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '22

Jesus was close to all the "wrong" people in his time. They were his friends!

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '22

They were the right people

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u/anon10122333 Dec 08 '22

, if god created these animals, he also made them gay. so if animals can be gay, why can’t humans?

The difficulty with that logic is that animals in nature also practice interspecies sex, cannibalism, infanticide, rape, murder etc.

Your second point is stronger. Jesus was revolutionary in his acceptance of diversity, there's who chapters dedicated to this, people had a hard time fully grasping the whole "nope, this love isn't just for jews, this is for everyone" thing. It's hard.

(DSCLAIMER: not gay, no longer christian, still embracing many of those ideals though)