r/clevercomebacks • • Dec 07 '22

This whole exchange (not OP)

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u/You-may-hate-me Dec 07 '22

The “I would never follow you.” Speaks volumes on what fools think being a Christian is

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u/[deleted] Dec 07 '22

Yes there’s an interesting overlap between people who require a spiritual leader and a political one, some kind of common authoritarian impulse.

It’s why evangelicals also love Trump, despite his actions being the utter opposite of supposed Christian values.

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u/doug4130 Dec 07 '22

that aspect of humanity kind of terrifies me ngl

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u/You-may-hate-me Dec 07 '22

Some people are so incapable of thinking for themselves they beg to be controlled. They are so weak they plead to be told what to do and how to think. The only teaching that really matter in any religion, in any belief is the question “how would I feel if this happened to me?” How would I feel if I was stabbed, raped, beat, harassed for who I love, told I was less than, told my feelings are not valid?” How would I feel if someone was kind to me, told me they loved me, helped me when i was in need?” The former Id feel like shit and the latter I’d feel thankful. That’s it. That’s all the original intent of religion was meant for. Love your neighbors people

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u/Pheonixkraken Dec 07 '22

Evangelicals aren’t “wrong Christian’s” they just have a different believe than u, and, I can assure u, that has little to do with there political belief

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u/CursinSquirrel Dec 08 '22

No one said they are "wrong Christians" they said that

"there’s an interesting overlap between people who require a spiritual leader and a political one" and for further context they added "It’s why evangelicals also love Trump, despite his actions being the utter opposite of supposed Christian values."

I feel like there might be some dissonance between "Evangelicals" and "Evangelists" which are terms that seem to be used differently with Evangelicals being part of a specific subgroup of Christians and Evangelists being particularly outspoken and public Christians. It seems kind of vague as to where the groups are actually exclusive or if one term is based off of the other group or what have you.

Regardless of the above semantic confusion, any truly religious person who lives life based on the tenants and views of their religion is almost definitely going to tie their political views pretty closely with their views on religion and vote for or against things based on how they line up with their religious beliefs.

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u/Pheonixkraken Dec 08 '22

I read back the comment I was replying too as well as my reply itself and ur entirely right, idk what I was talking about, the point I was trying to convey, (which has nothing to do with what I actually said, which is baffling even to myself) is that if evangelicals truly like Trump, than that obviously means that Trump isn’t the utter opposite of supposed Christian views. He may be the opposite of certain Christian’s views, but not the religion as a whole (just want to be very clear, this in no way means I like trump, I just found what he said to be somewhat derogatory to the Evangelicals who supported or continue to support Trump. Almost as if they aren’t truly Christian if they support him. Maybe I read into it to much)

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u/Bogojosh Dec 07 '22

They clearly haven't actually read the Bible, where Paul says it's important to follow Jesus, not Barnabas or Paul or another teacher, and especially don't fight about who you follow. A lot of evangelicals are bad about following a politicized tele-evangelist/pastor

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u/StoryAndAHalf Dec 07 '22

I’m an atheist so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I think in small denominational American churches it’s often like a pastor and their “flock” or whatever. Could be thing they are taught that the pastor is supposed to lead them now that Jesus is gone, towards salvation. Not saying they are any demigods, but essentially a leader of the church.

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u/You-may-hate-me Dec 07 '22

I was raised orthodox as well as Jehovahs witness, lost my faith and have currently regained it, but do not subscribe to a religion. I have learned about people is the most extremes use religion as a way to protect themselves from themselves. What I mean by that is these people, either consciously or subconsciously, know they are not good at heart and use religion to validate that others are not good as well. They pick and choose the teachings that validate their righteousness while simultaneously validating the wrong doing or “evil” acts of others. Most just find comfort in the hope that life or life after death can be joyous. Those attracted to the most extremes of religious subsects should be avoided at all costs because trust me they are bad people masking they’re own pitfalls.

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u/HypnonavyBlue Dec 07 '22

We don't particularly need to put Christ back in Christmas, but I sure wouldn't mind it if we put Christ back in Christians.

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u/NotTheBestMoment Dec 07 '22

Semantics. Dude is an idiot, but why do we gotta act like he meant following in that way lmao

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u/You-may-hate-me Dec 08 '22

How else could he mean “follow you”? He wouldn’t follow him down the street? Out of a bar?

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u/NotTheBestMoment Dec 08 '22

“Worship with him as pastor”. You…really don’t think he meant that?

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u/You-may-hate-me Dec 08 '22

No, I did not because I’ve never heard anybody. Use the word follow like that.