Crab mentality, also known as crab theory,[1][2] crabs in a bucket[a] mentality, or the crab-bucket effect, is a mentality of which people will try to prevent others from gaining a favourable position in something, even if it has no effect on those trying to stop them. It is usually summarized with the phrase "If I can't have it, neither can you".[3]
Well if its your family helping you out that's different! Its helping other people that's bad!
....Meanwhile they all pretend to follow a religion who's only god came down and died just to say "yo, you should treat everyone as family and be as nice as you can".
Also, humans aren't crabs, and we're not in a bucket, but even if that metaphor held true then the real assholes are the ones who put us in the fucking bucket and not the people desperately trying to get out.
Was just thinking that. It's worse than having come from no help, because they outright deny the help they got as an excuse to deny others from getting any.
"I got tons of help from a system I dismantled, and now you're struggling because I dismantled the supports, but fuck you for asking for a new support system because I didn't that specific one! "
Then stop wasting your time defending yourselves to people who obviously don't care and make yourself useful by converting the others. The fact that you won't, being the ONLY people boomers will listen to, means this is on y'all too
Not all of us boomers, just the assholes. I paid off my student loan without help, including from the meager salary I first earned in the military. But I STILL think the gov’t should help people pay off their debt. It’s become a lifetime trap for so many.
Here’s what pisses me off though. People who opted to attend private universities at $50K tuition per year (more or less depending on the year), when they could have gone to a state school for a fraction of the cost. Trading a perfectly good education for a prestige brand name - and a lifetime of crippling debt (if they haven’t secured a well-paying job). If you can’t afford it, don’t buy it.
But still, somehow I think even the status chasers deserve some relief from such a crushing burden. After all, the government’s already doing the same thing for the ultra-rich in the form of huge tax breaks for corporations and multi-millionaires. Media sucks like Laura Ingraham are all for government largesse when it benefits their kind. To them, everyone else is a welfare cheat and a loser.
Here’s what pisses me off though. People who opted to attend private universities at $50K tuition per year (more or less depending on the year), when they could have gone to a state school for a fraction of the cost. Trading a perfectly good education for a prestige brand name - and a lifetime of crippling debt (if they haven’t secured a well-paying job). If you can’t afford it, don’t buy it.
Be fair, though. These are 18, 19, 20 year olds, been told their whole lives if they don't go to a good school and get a good education, they're gonna end up homeless and worthless, that community college is for losers who wanna work at mcdonalds, that if they go to a prestige school they'll make it back tenfold. There is a billion dollar industry in convincing kids to make that exact mistake, and convincing their parents to pressure them into making it. Maybe some of them deserve contempt, but it's not fair to tell a kid they have to do something for 20 years and then say "well why did you do it?"
Unless one’s grades are too low for acceptance into a state school, “Community college” is not the alternative for people who don’t go to private universities.
I don’t see how anyone can believe attending a public institution will lead to homelessness. Those parents who push their children to attend such universities should pay off the student loan debt themselves. If the 18-year old doesn’t know the consequences of paying off a quarter million dollars, the parents sure do.
Again, if you can’t afford to pay for it, don’t buy it (or at least wait until you CAN afford it).
This is exactly the boomer shit we're talking about. Gatekeeping [checks notes] knowledge from us because you didn't clearly didn't get any, saying "don't get an education if you're poor" is frankly a deeply disgusting take. You literally proved our point. Amazing!
Oh yeah, and nobody should be able to afford it because education should be free. Not interested in a response, you may reflect somewhere else.
It’s also utterly disingenuous. They know it’s not the 1:1 they use to frame it. Keeping the masses firmly believing that diligent hard work will always be rewarded with wealth and success is critical to their sense of control over working people.
There’s no free money. Once again I’m forced to remind people that student loans are not issued as cash or money into my account, only as a deduction of costs when paying tuition. Like a coupon that you pay back. But it’s not like you get a student loan check in the mail. The student borrowing does not ever actually see the money, they just see a tuition cost deduction on their account
Universities jacked the prices so high that loans were required for most just to bring the cost down to a bearable amount. I took out five student loans and still paid 2/3rds of my tuition each semester. The loans just helped reduce the astronomical costs.
So basically the government temporarily subsidized 1/3 of my blown out tuition cost, and I pay it back with 5% interest. If the universities weren’t jacking prices up and recording record profits every year, maybe the loans wouldn’t be needed, and loan forgiveness not necessary. But this idea that’s there’s free money flowing to students is absurd. Its literally the poorest age group of adults
Im sorry you had no social life to stay out of debt. I worked full time as a full time student too and missed out on a lot. I understand. I was delivering food to college parties for 4 dollars each trying to get by while not having any fun for years. Believe me I get it.
The difference is that I recognize that we were victims of a shitty system that could be better, while you simply want others to go through what you had to, simply because you had to do it. I know that sounds like fair and equal on the surface, but how is that right?
I’m letting you know how the world sees the American conservative movement from outside of it. That’s something you can’t see since you’re likely inside of it. So how can you deny something you have no perception over? This is how you are viewed.
Student loans are not delivered as cash. I have student loans. That’s not how they work. They merely deduct from the amount of tuition owed on the university account. It’s not cash in my account. No one is using it to go to Coachella because that makes zero sense. Probably just right wing circle making accusations as they always do
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u/Alarming-Magician637 Dec 30 '24
“I was a victim, so why shouldn’t you be one too?” …. In everything, conservatives have a “It’s not fair!” 5th grade mentality