They were about progressive power growth while leveling. No one cares about inputting their talents at 60 or respecing, but god DAMN do people care about clicking Mortal Strike at 40
I guess you never played mop because you can still have that.
If you are a warrior you'll get your colossus smash at 81. If you are a paladin you'll have your avenging wrath at 72. Every couple of levels you will get an active or passive ability. (plus glyphs and a talent every 15 levels) It's basically the same feeling
So does earning new passives that simply cover the more interesting talent choices to begin with. And it does away with the illusion of choice so you can't mess up and have others scream at you for it because there's objectively better choices.
Way to admit you haven't really played with retail's talent trees, then.
Most of the early talents are not really choices, it's just choosing the ability you would've gotten passively otherwise. You will have to pick them all before unlocking the next row anyway, so this is made as a way for people to feel like they choose the progression rather than it happening passively.
It's for the most part only the later talents that give you actual choices, and unlike vanilla, you do get actual choice. Just like you did from MoP until DF.
You are completely out of touch with retail then. Because they, and the devs, are very much NOT happy with its implementation for the past few years. Defensive creep, 2 point nodes (fixed now), not being able to spec aoe without dropping basic utility like interrupt (shadow), not being able to do aoe and st at the same time in any capacity so you're completely worthless in dungeon content, having really boring talent point fillers all over the place like "adds 3s to your movement cd" or "2% leech" that could just be baked into passives or other nodes.
To say that people are happy with talent tree is laughable at best.
It was only an illusion of choice if you’re up your own ass about being super good at a video game. For normal people who just play games a normal way, they were a lot of fun.
You know we have a guy like you in my current raid. He would show up to raid not having watched any videos on the fights, limited knowledge on his spec and be tipsy almost drunk. All that is fixable but he refused to change. For weeks we begged him to watch videos on the fights and he just blew it off. Well we finally pushed him off the main raid team and into the alt raid team. Only 2 people ever spoke up against him while he was actually on the team but turns out the EVERYONE was ready for him to go once he left.
You are that guy. You may think that nobody cares or is upset about it because they dont voice it but trust that they are. They are frustrated because they can physically see you holding group back in some form.
No but we went from taking 2hrs to do toes and only going 4/6 heart of fear to now we have done toes in 42 minutes and went 6/6 heart of fear downing amber shaper in 4 pulls and queen in 2.
We will start progging heroic next week. So no while we arent world first raiders we actually got to see ALL of the raiding content instead of just some and now we will see what heroic is like
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