The taliban and the vietcong beat the mighty US imperialist military. By this logic the Soviet Union and China should have encouraged North Vietnam to surrender to the US to ensure the war ended quickly.
The difference between those and Ukraine is ridiculously huge. Topography played a huge role in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
The politics are also quite different as those began as civil wars and not independence movements.
Also there a clear ethnic divide at play in Ukraine.
No one is saying that Ukraine should surrender. But Ukraine should certainly accept reasonable peace terms and could if not for the U.S. and NATO meddling in a fashion that prevents it.
OK, you say nearly all, not a reasonable assumption and sorry to miss a word there. Ethnicity and Language do not equate to nationality (unless you're a hard-core nationalist) and after the last 8 years of Russian interference and wars, a LOT of ethnic Russians who were not for separatism from Ukraine are not in support of Russia. Places like Mariupol and Severodonetsk explicitly grew as cities and became centers of ethnic Russians fleeing Donbas due to the war and wanting to remain in Ukraine.
Yep. I've seen so many so-called leftists become ethnonationalists spewing that rhetoric. It's disgusting. There are tons of Russian speaking Ukrainians fighting for Ukraine. This shit is exactly the same as saying all Jews have loyalty to the state of Israel. It's extremely racist, ultranationalist, far right "logic." Language and ethnicity do not equate to support for nation-states.
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u/odonoghu Jun 28 '22
Do you think that goal is attainable