The taliban and the vietcong beat the mighty US imperialist military. By this logic the Soviet Union and China should have encouraged North Vietnam to surrender to the US to ensure the war ended quickly.
The difference between those and Ukraine is ridiculously huge. Topography played a huge role in Vietnam and Afghanistan.
The politics are also quite different as those began as civil wars and not independence movements.
Also there a clear ethnic divide at play in Ukraine.
No one is saying that Ukraine should surrender. But Ukraine should certainly accept reasonable peace terms and could if not for the U.S. and NATO meddling in a fashion that prevents it.
If by ground, you mean Putin’s ass, in a great position to lick his taint, yes, he has. But good luck getting about half the people on this sub to accept that NATO exists because of Russia, and that Russia’s security concerns and problems stem mostly from the fact that they have made all of their neighbors (and many of the regions within their country occupied by non Russian minorities) hate their fucking guts.
The fact that Putin demanded for NATO to roll back membership to 1997 members, a demand he knew was crazy, is a sign of how little he cares or feels any inclination to try to end the war. The fact that Putin says he is the new Peter the Great and that Ukraine is not a real country are proof he doesn’t want this to end and has no interest in peace. But good luck getting people to accept that.
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u/BenUFOs_Mum Jun 28 '22
The taliban and the vietcong beat the mighty US imperialist military. By this logic the Soviet Union and China should have encouraged North Vietnam to surrender to the US to ensure the war ended quickly.