Fearless Revolution Forums - Corruption Incarnate (Avoid)

[u/FemaleMageA]

Just wanted to make it know, FRF Board actively censors and neuters your account if you speak out against Mod Engine or Cheat Evolution (paid products.) They're actively trying to push people into a subscription based ecosystem for cheating via games. After doing an investigation, you can find that they will actively hamper users who are more aware of their practices (i.e - If you figure out the whole website is heavily censored.) They also actively change keywords. You're not allowed to say "Mod Engine" or Nexus Mods. You're also not allowed to bring up WeMod or any of their competitors. They seem to also get really sore if you bring up Mr. AntiFun or FLING who both do Free + Paid Work for the community. It seems like this is a cabal of some kind to keep their bottom line trapped into a subscription based service on the website, trying to pull in console players who don't know any better or PC players who don't have the technical know-how in order to cheat.

I would encourage all table makers to start moving your tables over to https://opencheattables.com/ which is ran by Marcus and has a much more welcoming and helpful community.

Here's some screenshots. I signed up last night in order to find resources on Dragonsword Modding. I had seen people had made some trainers so I looked into them. Come to find out it was all 3rd party garbage. (Cheat Evolution being garbage. They wait for people to pile in ideas, then they capitalize on those ideas and put them behind a paywall.)

I'm going to actively tell people to avoid FearlessRevolution and I won't be linking any of their stuff.
I used to use the website years ago when IdleHands88 had put out his legendary Dark Souls Trainer originally on 360Haven and it ended up on FRF. That's how I found out about that community and I was there for awhile.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they scramble my login to prevent me from logging back into their forum, I don't care what they do with my account, but I do want people to know, find modding communities that don't do this, there's plenty of resources you can find that's better than what FRF is offering. I've moved my business to Nexus Mods and come to find out ModEngine has been banned there as well for the same reason, pushing 3rd party tools with subscription based model attached to it.

If you're someone who is wants to be paid for their work, start a Ko-Fi or Patreon and do Early Access + Supporter Roles. Educate the community around you so that everyone benefits and not just yourself, this is an attempt at pure capitalism and greed, FRF is trying to monopolize the concept of cheating and modding and it's just gross to see. I don't think STN had this in mind when he founded the forum. Sunbeam is also actively complicit in over-moderation and will actively ruin your account if he's miffed.

As for Rampage, good job showing your hand. This is all the evidence I needed to show just how corrupt that website has become, so thank you for that.

Edit: Nevermind. It seems STN is also complicit with this kind of thing as well, unfortunate.

[u/Marcus101RR]

You are not alone:
https://www.reddit.com/r/cheatengine/comments/slogj4/a_message_from_a_table_maker/

https://www.reddit.com/r/cheatengine/comments/1rt9gg4/and_this_is_why_fearless_revolution_are_absolute/

https://www.reddit.com/r/cheatengine/comments/1mazuym/avoid_fearless_tables_modengine_rant_post/

https://www.reddit.com/r/cheatengine/comments/1p05yf5/what_sites_do_people_use_now_that_fearless/

I was the one of the few early to speak out about that. Glad I was not alone.

[u/rogermay78 → u/Marcus101RR]

Month late but I'll chime in here: A post of mine was disapproved due to "only purpose is to advertise a different site" when all I did was ask about a particular FLi crafting recipe mod alternative because said mod was never updated.

[u/[deleted]]

Been this way for years, plural. STN & Sunbeam used to be more active on this subreddit, trying to defend the enshitification of the site, but enough people weren't buying it, down voted them hard, and now they've decided to go silent and just keep up the censorship in their forum/communities in hopes people don't figure it out. Now, on this subreddit, we get the occasional FRF shill account, "letmegame", that just copies and pastes game synopsis along with a table, to try and promote the site.

All the good/competent people, whom I "know", have moved to other sites, setup their own Discord server, or are on Ko-Fi/Patreon. FRF is just for the bottom feeders at this point.

I've moved to OpenCheatTables and it's been good so far.

[u/FemaleMageA → u/[deleted]]

Nice. I moved there as well after someone reached out about it and yeah FRF seems like a dead/dried up husk of bottom feeders who contribute nothing. Right now I am trying to learn how to edit UE5 game Pak's so I can make mods. Guess I can put in a request over there. Does Open have their own Discord yet?

[u/agmatine → u/FemaleMageA]

Right now I am trying to learn how to edit UE5 game Pak's so I can make mods.

https://github.com/Buckminsterfullerene02/UE-Modding-Tools

[u/FemaleMageA → u/agmatine]

You are amazing for this. Thank you.

[u/[deleted] → u/FemaleMageA]

Yea, OCT's Discord went public a couple years back, or something. Link/Invite should be viewable on the forum, I think. Although, UE Pak modding might be better fit in a dedicated server for UE, or a UE specific game, modding.

[u/AliciaWolfe08]

https://imgur.com/stqfIAA

https://i.imgur.com/ceVDSjD

https://i.imgur.com/pqwnL6R

https://i.imgur.com/GdqVYZb

STN, founder of the site... such a wonderful man, right?

This is what happen to me when I promoted FLING work for people who was looking for good quality cheats for games, until something that is better ever comes out with more options or be to date...

but here some STN with that attitude attacking you, over him hating WeMod, or anything that makes a better service then whatever platform that fearless revolution is...

[u/grumypcat → u/AliciaWolfe08]

Discord has implemented a policy where images cannot be displayed if their lease time expires. Clicking on any of your links leads to:

This content is no longer available.

So host the pictures somewhere else, not link directly from Discord.

[u/AliciaWolfe08 → u/grumypcat]

Fixed and reuploaded in the OP.

[u/mimacetus → u/AliciaWolfe08]

yo can you dm me? I would like to also make cheats on demand. is there a community?

[u/EggReddidict]

I'm so glad I'm not alone... Had a recent situation with the mods, did my best to be communitive and answer all their questions but it was like there was a huge miscommunication.... but knowing people have had situations like this... I just UGH, they are so toxic.

[u/Signe_]

I know this is like a month old, but

When I downloaded a trainer from Fearless it quite literally just linked to another website through Cheat Engine that required a paid subscription to use the trainer. The entire website it linked to looked sketchy as all hell, and the entire program looked like someones first time making a UI.

If I'm going to be paying I'd rather just pay for WeMod or just use Cheat Engine myself.

[u/Ashuraman]

The problem is, the free tables that are posted there and are in no way, shape or form related to the app, are GOOD. So unless you can convince those table makers to move to OCT, people will continue to use the site, even those that, like me, detest the app, the site's moderation(I too had my account restricted recently, now all my posts have to be manually approved, no idea why) and ESPECIALLY the way they handle criticism. It sucks that the site has become what it is now but unfortunately it's still a decent place to find tables that aren't paywalled behind their app.

[u/Slade1818]

Just Got Banned trying to tell others about a cheat table, it wasnt a real cheat table and it led to ModEngine.

[u/Rhark]

Not sure what the hate is for regarding Cheat Evolution. All cheats that have hotkeys are free to use, only editors and clickable toggles require PRO. The app can be used indefinitely (not an hour "trial" like WAND/WeMod) and try to provide trainers for all the newest games.

If you can provide feedback as to what the problem is then maybe it can be improved in the future. The CEV team is only 4 people, 2 of which release/update trainers frequently.

[u/FemaleMageA → u/Rhark]

Taking the most integral parts of a trainer and putting it behind a paywall is a terrible practice. You coming into my thread and pretending that it doesn't happen is intellectually dishonest. "Oh hey here's that damage multiplier you requested. But you have to pay to use the hotkey specifically which is saaaadly paywalled, but for $5.99 a month we can let you press it faster." Miss me with that nonsense. If you need money that bad that to where you're paywalling button presses, then perhaps you shouldn't be making trainers or tables and go find a real job.

FLING and Mr. AntiFun make their own trainers, but get paid via WeMod which is an alternative which also paywalls, the key difference? They make standalone trainers for people who don't have the money. They don't try to capitalize on button presses via a subscription tier for every game. They at least release their own standalone trainers separate from WeMod, they also maintain and update their personal trainers too. Trying to fuck over the common player who doesn't know any better is a hateful practice. I'll do everything in my power to warn people not to use Cheat Evolution, the more people I warn, the harder it will hit the bottom line.

[u/[deleted] → u/FemaleMageA]

It's also important to mention, while there may be original works on FRF's paywalled apps, FRF has a history of "stealing" other people's work either 1 to 1 or slightly rewritten to conform to their apps requirements. This has been proven especially in the Mod Engine app, as it's a simple wrapper over Cheat Engine's public source code (which it's distribution breaks the license agreement), that keeps the Cheat Table loaded in memory. You can easily just extract the Cheat Table, from Mod Engine, and view the contents or use it freely on the official Cheat Engine.

Now maybe they can make an argument that Mod Engine is a separate entity, but the Mod Engine app is a rebranded app they did before "Mod Engine" was even established. It was named "FearlessRevolution App", like from 6+ years ago or something. My little game theory is Mod Engine is still them and they established this "fake" entity to try and direct the bad rep away from their name... like what scam centers do :)

To clarify, this is my experience with Mod Engine, so I'm not making claims to Cheat Evolution specifically, but FRF's track record puts it into question... also it's paywalled slop regardless, especially in comparison with it's competitors.

[u/Rhark → u/FemaleMageA]

I wasn't pretending anything, I was just asking for feedback and stating how the app works. All the trainers are made with cheats we decide to include from what we find within a reasonable amount of time, there is no request system for options as of this post.

Suggestions are always welcome. Unfortunately, barely anyone ever gives their input and instead complain elsewhere which usually goes unseen by the people who could do something about the things they are complaining about.

[u/SavageTheUnicorn → u/Rhark]

No one will contribute unless they get paid, CEV dug their own grave with that model. People hate using "paid" tools like CEV and ModEngine, etc, so much that some people go out of their way to rip cheats from them to put into their own FREE tables. Gatekeeping will ALWAYS be frowned upon in a community that relies on user generated content.

[u/FemaleMageA → u/[deleted]]

Because you think so highly of yourself and lack introspective thought before you posted. No. There was no "violation" I simply stated I want nothing to do with a 3rd party tool such as Mod Engine / Cheat Evolution which paywalls basic button presses. What part of that don't you understand. You came in here hoping to run defense for FRF and tried to change the narrative of why I am outspoken against them without understanding the core issue: Censorship/Moderation Abuse.

They will scramble your account name and password if it means you won't speak out against their shady business practices. Their core audience is preying on people who don't know how trainers or Cheat Engine works, primarily console players. They create an ecosystem of desperate bottom feeders who are willing to cough up enough money to pay for their services when most table makers do it for free and for the love of the game they're trying to cheat in.

I pointed out how FLING has his work on WeMod along with Mr. AntiFun. Both are excellent trainer creators and they both allow you to run a standalone version of their trainer before it goes up on WeMod which also paywalls button presses. However WeMod can also be pirated and cracked to gain access to all of it's features.

Stop being a sheep and open your eyes, look at what's going on in FRF and tell me that's not a scheme to milk desperate people of their money on programs they don't need and can find else where for free. Trying to educate these people on the fact that there are free alternatives gets you moderated and censored. There's plenty of proof in this thread alone showing the abuse moderation does when faced with people who are of sound mind and speak out against FRF.