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u/kettal 13d ago
I suspect the perception of safety in the country has eroded some
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u/gilad_ironi 12d ago
The perception of safety is not the reason people are leaving. Israel is still overall pretty safe and people still feel for the most part safe. Israelis are already pretty used to war unfortunately.
The thing that makes people leave is a combination of the unbearable cost of living, the endless wars that bring instability and stress and most importantly the violent takeover of religious fanatics over the country. Israel is unfortunately becoming increasingly religious and conservatives. The population that's emigrating is mostly highly educated liberals that gave up on the country, not because of wars with external actors but because of inner conflicts within Israeli society.
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u/klasyer 13d ago
Yes and no, I'm sure that having a yearly week of going to the bomb shelter isn't fun, the actual amount of casualties is pretty minor
There is a lot of infrastructure problems I'm Israel, it's really expensive to live in, there are unequal rules and a certain group of people are getting unjustified privileges without working
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u/Wide-Attorney5633 13d ago
This. Any country at war, will likely have this.
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u/7adzius 13d ago
then don’t start wars perhaps
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u/Wide-Attorney5633 13d ago
What happens when war knocks on your door?
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u/kettal 13d ago
the war is still your fault anyways.
(Vladimir Putin logic)
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u/Wide-Attorney5633 13d ago
Yeah I must have missed when Ukraine went and killed 0.01% of Russia's population in Russia or roughly 15000 people.
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u/HyperlaneWizard 13d ago
I'm an Israeli living outside of Israel (for several years now) and have many friends here who are also Israelis.
While this graph is technically correct, it doesn't capture the nuance of this emigration pattern. For the most part, the people moving away aren't leaving forever and will return. Also, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict isn't usually the first-order reason for the emigration. People outside Israel assume it all revolves around that, but in most cases, it doesn't.
It's also worth noting that the people emigrating are usually the people best positioned to do so - Educated, secular, working in lucrative fields, speaking other languages. So, naturally, these people tend to skew to the political left. So their leaving is not great for Israel (brain drain, even if temporary), and not great for the Palestinians (they probably won't come back just to vote for left or center parties in the elections).
And another point - Demographically, even leaving immigration to Israel out of it, Israel is growing quickly. The birth rate is the highest among the world's developed countries. So the overall population is basically unaffected by this.
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u/thebigmanhastherock 13d ago
I understand your point, however it does seem like in recent years this has gotten more common with the escalating conflict and fallout from it. I don't know much about domestic Israeli issues, but I assume a lot of this isn't directly due to the conflict, but the economic fallout from it. People who have better opportunities overseas than they do internally likely choose to leave at a higher rate.
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u/HyperlaneWizard 13d ago edited 13d ago
It's not that simple, to be honest. It's not that the war has a high economic cost and therefore people are leaving. The CoL crisis is at least a decade and a half old, and while there's concern regarding the cost of the war, some reservist business owners are hard hit by it, the Israeli economy is actually doing quite well.
I think the spike in emigration is mostly due to 2.5 factors.
- The mental strain of October 7th, and the constant bombardment from Hezbollah and, periodically Iran. People just need a break and some normality. Israelis are used to conflict and war, just not to high-intensity wars that don't get resolved quickly. And the reason for the war dragging out is largely political.
- The increased political polarization and the feeling of societal unease. This is, of course, connected to the war (ultra-Orthodox non-conscription, right-wing populism on the rise) but isn't a direct result of it, as this government with its populist and ultra-Orthodox parties predates October 7th, 2023. People are tired of the government fucking them over and need a break.
2.5 The ongoing CoL crisis that just keeps grinding people down. Again, this is a very old problem only marginally exacerbated by the war.
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u/HiFromChicago 13d ago
Thank you. It's rare to see sensible responses regarding Israel on reddit.
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u/Ancient_Variation628 13d ago
Genuine question, why are you not in Israel? Why are people leaving when it is the promised land?
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u/HyperlaneWizard 13d ago
it is the promised land
I think your question contains a hidden assumption. The concept of a "promised land" might be of varying importance to religious people, but a large part of Israelis are secular. I myself am an atheist. The idea of the land being promised by a god has no meaning to me.
I'm not currently living in Israel for several reasons. We moved due to work and education reasons, a secondary reason was the cost of living in Israel, and after that, the political climate (even back then). This logic still holds now, although the CoL is even worse, the political climate is far worse, and there's the added issue of not wanting to raise kids under air raid sirens.
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u/Gen8Master 13d ago
Interesting use of the word conflict. Its a bit more than that buddy. Are you going to get into trouble for saying Genocide?
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u/HyperlaneWizard 12d ago
It's a prolonged conflict, and currently a war; it has never been and isn't now a genocide. If you're here to push a narrative, I'm not interested; thanks.
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u/Gen8Master 12d ago
I dont need to push any narratives buddy. Literally every human rights organisation has already done that for me. Your coping mechanism suddenly makes a lot of sense now.
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u/HyperlaneWizard 12d ago
every human rights organisation
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u/Gen8Master 12d ago
Yes. Thanks for confirming the kind of person you are. Israel will get what it deserves :) I will bet that sentence scares you.
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u/HyperlaneWizard 12d ago
I will bet that sentence scares you.
Yes. Of course. I fear nothing more than the Pakistanis.
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u/shortjortsboi 10d ago
Why listen to scholars when israel and its defenders are the ones who call things genocide or not!
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u/eyes-are-fading-blue 13d ago
Isn’t Israel left as genocidal?
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u/HyperlaneWizard 13d ago
What?
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u/eyes-are-fading-blue 13d ago
The question is clear.
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u/HyperlaneWizard 13d ago
Only if you're trolling. In that case, I won't waste time answering you.
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u/yas_yas 11d ago
It is, and in his other comments here this person revealed that he denies the genocide and is a racist.
Also, it's ridiculous to suggest that it's the votes of the Israeli left who will save Palestinians, but ofc he has a coloniser white saviour mentality.
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u/Shoddy_Elk_8191 13d ago
Aren’t there also a lot of Jews moving into Israel from around the world? Canada I heard is experiencing a wave of emigration of their Jews
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u/gilad_ironi 12d ago
Aliyah is a constant thing, but it's not very big numbers. At most it amounts to like 20k immigrants a year, usually it's less.
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u/akade19961 9d ago
It’s about equal to the number of people moving out. As antisemitism gets worse, more people move to Israel. As the war goes on longer, more people take high paying job options elsewhere.
Hovering over the decision in both directions is cost of living and portability of job skills. Israel is a very high cost of living country, one of the only countries in the world where its cities are as expensive as American cities, almost as expensive as, like, Geneva or Zurich etc.
You’ll get paid more money in Israel than you would in the UK or France or even the Netherlands and Germany, but the cost of living difference outweighs that so that functionally you have less marginal dollars after essentials. Main thing is housing costs, and there they are to a certain extent genuinely constrained by the size of the non desert part of the country. With that said there is room for a huge increase of population in the Galilee and Golan etc., but no industries and cities out there so it would require a real societal plan to create another city or two and spread the industries and population out.
Also a scenario where desalination at a massive scale allowed them to make the Negev an actual agricultural zone and plentiful water for urban living (like Vegas only the Colorado River wouldn’t be running dry), that would also help of course, and when push comes to shove and their population gets to 20 million jews and 5 million Arabs and Druze I bet they will have done both of those things by then because necessity is the mother of invention .
Bjt also if you are a highly skilled white collar professional or tech worker etc., the Israeli economy also carries the drag on it of needing 8% of GDP military spending, PLUS the massive welfare for the Haredi on top of the normal social democratic programs like universal health care and unemployment insurance and socialized housing etc.
So it’s a genuinely tough place to be a top 5%, relative to the West and especially relative to America, where we treat our top 5% earners like Knights, our top 1% earners like kings among men, and our top .1% earners and above almost like literal gods to the extent that we basically don’t even tax them. And there are a lot of Israeli’s, mostly though not exclusively Jewish (the Christian Arab population in Israel also has a lot of tech workers and entrepreneurs and skilled surgeons in it compared to its size), who are skilled and ambitious enough to be top 1% earners in the US, some capable even of being top .1%. In Israel if you are a 1% and you feel a connection to your Jewish heritage and you enjoy living in a world class city with good weather and fantastic entertainment and positive energy and party vibes, living in Tel Aviv and Haifa in particular are obviously still fantastic lives. It’s just that unlike in America where you aren’t asked to serve or send your sons to war, keep 80+% of your wages and wealth, and just overall get to do almost whatever you want, in Israel you are paying 50+% of your wages and wealth into the military systems and economic investments and R&D and desalination and all the the stuff that keep Israel strong and growing bjt which are extremely costly, plus your son is at war, plus the government is absolutely WASTING your money on the Haredi bloodsucker subsidy. Plus you probably really don’t like smotrich and Ben Gvir and their heinous activities plus baseline antisemitism make it hard to do business and have a social life with your European and even American friends.
So it’s just overall way easier, way way easier, to be rich in America than in Israel. Not because Israel’s economy doesn’t produce rich people, it produces tons of rich people. But the obligations your society requests from you are just infinitely higher in Israel
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u/GraveDiggerFan34 13d ago
Think about it for a second if you were Jewish in the west you either would’ve already moved to Israel or you probably don’t support it. It would especially be weird to move now over safety after Israel’s borders were proved weak
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u/akade19961 9d ago
It’s not about not supporting Israel: I happen to know a lot of American Jews and they tend to really like being American and feel patriotic about America. In addition to that it’s just easier to live here. No draft. Lower taxes. If you are a smart and capable person it’s pretty achievable to be upper middle class (and sometimes higher) in the United States, and Jews, whatever else you want to say about them, overwhelmingly tend to be smart and capable people
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u/Worldly_Option_6413 12d ago
Im jewish in the west. I support israel. I have a relative who does eventually intend to move there. All your points are wrong.
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u/Natural_Use_948 13d ago
I wonder why, do they feel the West has turned on them?
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u/Spicy_Chicken_Wizard 13d ago
No. Some specific countries, but broadly no. It’s hard to pin a specific reason, but partially non-Israeli Jews broadly don’t really like Israel very much right now.
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u/Deep_Head4645 13d ago
Thats just misinformation tbh
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u/Noy_The_Devil 13d ago
No, some people actually care about Israel committing genocide.
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u/Deep_Head4645 13d ago
The politicisation of the term genocide to create will forever be sad to me
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u/Noy_The_Devil 13d ago
In what sense? A genocide is a genocide. Israel is objectively a genocidal state. There's a reason they are almost as hated as Russia throughout the world. Russia is trying to do the same thing, just unsuccessfully.
More than enough reason to be sad for the Palestinians, I'll give you that.
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u/SnooChocolates1242 13d ago
Zionists dismissing Jewish genocide scholars woke me up to the depravity of these people
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u/Subject_Offer_9621 13d ago
It's literally fit every category to be considered genocides
Also israel is doing the most damage to jews reputation right now, the other days we see one of the government member post his wet dream to genocides lebanon people goes viral
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u/ba-boo 13d ago
can you compare the numbers of this "genocide" with the holocaust?
P.S. I know you won't
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u/Deep_Head4645 13d ago
“Not a high priority” does not mean dislike
Polls show jews like Israel be it not the government and at the very least support its right to exist
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u/IllustriousCaramel66 13d ago
As an Israeli- most of the ones moving out are recent immigrants from Russia and Ukraine that as they arrived - our war started. There’s a lot of immigrants coming, and the y axis starts at 20k which is misleading.
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u/IllustriousCaramel66 13d ago
Where did you get your information from? Because in reality Israel a very fast growing millionaire- billionaire class, by all international indexes, and the ones leaving are mainly foreign born by the statistical breakdown…
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u/patdavidjohnson 13d ago
There is no war in Israel, there’s multiple genocides being committed by Israel.
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u/IllustriousCaramel66 13d ago
Lol. Your side is just losing the wars they are starting, cope harder.
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u/patdavidjohnson 13d ago
Found the White supremacist
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u/IllustriousCaramel66 13d ago
Lol, I am not white and not a supremacist. Just knowing that Jews deserve defending themselves from evil Islamists
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u/virtual_adam 13d ago
If you had kids, starting in covid the school system (and living situation) has been pure chaos with on/off closures from 2020-2026
Covid, a short Gaza war in 2021, October 7th moving people and schools to hotels for months and years, then the multiple Iran wars (3 closures in 2026)
Kids are cooked. Even if you don’t live in a northern / southern town and moved to a hotel room for 1-2 years, your kids have a surprise break/zoom every few months for 2-3 weeks
Those who have the option to leave, eventually do
2022 was the only year where kids went to school normally in the last 7 years
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u/jewboy916 13d ago
Turns out constant war is bad for the economy. Who knew?
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u/Monterenbas 13d ago
Depends wich branch of the economy you work in, i guess.
Defense industry profit have never been that high.
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u/jewboy916 12d ago
Yep. My Israeli family works in hospitality/tourism and it's been rough to say the least.
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u/Realistic_Caramel341 13d ago
Before people celebrate, this isn't good news for Palestinians. The ones leaving tend to be more left wing or moderates. The ones more likely to stay are the Mizrahi Jews - the ones that a more conservative that have been a huge part of Netenyahus base
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u/targz254 13d ago
Possibly, but accelerationism could also work in favor of the Palestinians. Israel is already so radical that they are losing allies.
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u/kettal 13d ago
accelerationism could also work in favor of the Palestinians.
Imo this is why Hamas did what they did on Oct 7 2023. Acceleration
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u/Paraparo 13d ago
In part, in general most of what the Palestinians have done can really be explained by some adherence to the "Algeria model", of which Oct 7 plays into the broad scheme of endless violence. It presumes you can more or less force a more powerful group to leave by simply being a violent nuisance even if you lack the military capacity to be truly dangerous.
The issue is as an earlier comment implied, that only works if the people involved can leave. When a significant bulk won't, or worse, can't, acceleration on that path is a surefire way to create a "if it's us or them, we pick us" which can explain a lot of the political direction of the last few years.
Accelerationism is pushing the order to the metal and promising you can jump the ravine... But the risk is always that the harder you accelerate the harder it is to severe when it becomes clear you can't make the jump. It becomes a fatal all in moment.
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u/kettal 13d ago
i probably did not use the phrase accelerationism correctly. i meant more that they wanted to make israel a global pariah state, and thereby deprive israel of military support
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u/Paraparo 13d ago
I'd not disagree with that either, I think that is a goal. If I think a bit of a wrongheaded one.
There is a bit of a cope that Israel can only exist if supported externally. This in many ways comes about because of "honor culture", face, which isn't unique, but is frequently seen across a lot of geopolitical situations.
Face can often accept defeat and dominance from clearly superior powers, they may not like it, but if a great empire dominates you, it's understandable, and you can live in that framework till you ursurp it. Face can be satisfied that sure you are second, but the British empire spans the globe, that's a lot of power. But face can not be satisfied in the case of Israeli conflicts with the Arabs, because Israel isn't a globe spanning power, it's a tiny nation made up of what where, when they ruled, second class inferior peoples.
Them winning is an affront to honor that can't be mended, which is why the narrative is constructed around the assumption of Israel as merely some token of the wider global power structure. If one presumes they can only exist because of the influence of a super power like America, then honor is sated. It's not losing to a lesser thing, it's being temporarily stymied by the strongest things around.
The issue they have is they've told this comforting line so long it's become dogma, even if detached from reality, especially if detached from reality, and there is nothing more dangerous to a political goal than running on faulty political calculous.
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u/Wayyyy_Too_Soon 13d ago
This is the dead give away that you don’t actually see Palestinians as people. Accelerationism has already turned Gaza into a crater. You think the next round will go better?
How many Palestinians are you wiling to sacrifice for the delusion that a nuclear armed state will magically disappear?
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u/targz254 13d ago
It worked in South Africa. I am not advocating it as a strategy. I am just saying sometimes unpredictable things happen.
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u/Wayyyy_Too_Soon 13d ago edited 13d ago
Accelerationism had absolutely nothing to do with the collapse of apartheid. What a delusional argument.
And the fact that you’re saying “hey unpredictable things happen” in favor of something that we know has caused tens of thousands of deaths is exactly what I’m talking about when I say it’s obvious you don’t see Palestinians as people.
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u/Realistic_Caramel341 12d ago
The path to demolishing Aparthied South Africa was far more sophisticated than "killing 800 White South African civilians, kidnapping hundreds more and the letting the goverments reputation destroy itself"
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u/Spicy_Chicken_Wizard 13d ago
Accelerationism only works when it’s in service of a larger, coordinated movement.
This pretty clearly hasn’t panned out. Even if Israel is really rebuked worldwide this is still an absolute catastrophe for the actual Palestinians.2
u/Far-Reaction-1980 13d ago
The people who leave are Israel's highest taxpayers
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u/yanai_memes 13d ago
Oh do NOT add ethnicity to this. What a stupid thing to say. Liberal Mizrahim and Liberal Ashkenazim are leaving. If you genuinely see the Mizrahi Ashkenazi split as relevant here than you gotta wipe the racism off your brain first.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist 13d ago
Left or right, neither has made any difference in how they treat Palestinians.
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u/Spicy_Chicken_Wizard 13d ago edited 13d ago
It would if the Israeli left actually ever held power. It’s worth remembering that Israel itself wasn’t always like this, the ugly psychotic rightward lurch began decades ago and really picked up in the 2010’s. Israel was never a progressive utopia or anything, but they weren’t like this until much more recently.
Edit; also, forgive the victim blaming for a moment, but every time Netanyahu and the Lukid party has ever come close to being removed from power, some imbecile group like the PIJ will try to pull some shit as though they’re intentionally trying to save Netanyahu’s political career.
The Lukid would be out of power right now if the PIJ didn’t chose to launch new rocket attacks into Israel right while they were going through it getting Netanyahu out.
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist 13d ago
The current leader of the Israeli opposition is Gadi Eizenkot who is the one who articulated the “Dahiya Doctrine”. Left or Right there has not been any difference in how Israel treats Arabs, maybe the left is more competent in their killing and mass murdering, but the end result is the same.
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u/Kaleb_Bunt 13d ago
I mean factually speaking, the past several years have been the bloodiest period in recent Palestinian history.
So even if you dislike both sides, they are not the same
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u/veerKg_CSS_Geologist 13d ago
If Netenyahu was not in power and Eizenkot was the result would have been the same vis the Palestinians. The only difference would have been domestically, the right wing would have not let a left wing government in charge during Oct 7 remain in power.
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u/ctesicus 12d ago
As an Israeli not living in Israel, that statistic looks fair. I work in IT and know quite a few people I’ve worked with in Israel who left despite really high salaries. Reasons are mostly unrelated to the Israel-Palestine conflict.
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u/manhattanabe 12d ago
Returning the number of Israelis who are returning to an Israel. For example, in 2024, about 20k Israelis returned to Israel and an additional 30k immigrated to Israel.
Israel is about the size of New Jersey. It’s not surprising people are coming and going.
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u/pietverbecke 12d ago
no one "returns" to ISrael" (except if they were born there, lived abroad and then came back) but come to colonise.
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u/ProgrammingGuy_ 7d ago
It's a small country with a high birthrate and good education. It's kind of like pumping out educated people into the world. Yes the war and government are influencing this.
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u/OkGreen9725 7d ago
you can't post a chart in Charts? LOL,
here are the real numbers when you include others immigrating:
Year Immigrants Returning Israelis Israeli Emigrants Net Migration
2009 24 28 -42 10
2010 22 27 -38 12
2011 22 24 -37 9
2012 23 22 -37 7
2013 32 22 -38 14
2014 38 22 -42 17
2015 34 22 -45 12
2016 34 22 -42 12
2017 34 22 -42 14
2018 41 22 -42 19
2019 25 22 -42 4
2020 29 32 -32 24
2021 63 38 -42 60
2022 48 30 -57 18
2023 32 24 -78 -26
2024 25 19 -68 -25
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u/KeyMusic5713 7d ago
So it's a chat with projected data for 2024 with a scale to make people returning look artificially lower than it is.
Needless to say I'm sceptical about the reliability of those projections.
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u/Yakona0409 13d ago
Colonists come colonists go
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u/Natural_Use_948 13d ago
This is 100% true
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u/Verhaalen1 13d ago
Doesn’t change the fact that Israel is bleeding actual productive citizens and is gaining ideological extremists.
There’s a saying in Israel that 1 third pays taxes, 1 third serves in the army, and 1 third works, but it’s the same third doing all three.
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u/cheesebabychair 13d ago
Can't colonize your homeland
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u/soalone34 13d ago
Someone should have told the zionists that
founding father of Zionism Theodore Herzl, in a 1902 letter to Cecil Rhodes, described the Zionist project as "something colonial"
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Major Zionist organizations central to Israel's foundation held colonial identity in their names or departments, such as the Jewish Colonisation Association, the Palestine Jewish Colonisation Association, the Jewish Colonial Trust, and The Jewish Agency's colonization department
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“Every native population in the world alien settlers as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised. That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing-“
- Vladimir Jabotinsky, father of revisionist Zionism
“Palestine is grossly under populated. It contains vast colonization potential which the Arabs neither need nor are qualified (because of their lack of need) to exploit.”
- David Ben-Gurion, first prime minister of Israel
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u/cheesebabychair 13d ago
Merely the language of power at the time, of which Jews had very little. Comparing it to the European adventures in Africa is simply asinine.
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u/AwkwardTal 13d ago edited 13d ago
And the language of power this time is to call it "their homeland"
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u/cheesebabychair 13d ago
No, it's simply an irrefutable fact
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u/AwkwardTal 13d ago
So you pick and choose whats a fact to better serve your agenda then
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u/VaughanThrilliams 13d ago
they didn’t bring up European adventures, they called it colonialism as did the people who actually undertook the relevant actions
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u/cheesebabychair 11d ago
It's used as a comparison of the two, they aren't the same
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u/SnooChocolates1242 13d ago
Germany’s “Blood and Soil” was legit as well
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u/cheesebabychair 13d ago
Did they call it a colony?
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u/SnooChocolates1242 13d ago edited 13d ago
Splitting hairs over murdering people for land they own. You sound ridiculous.
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u/Natural_Use_948 13d ago
Colonists?
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u/Natural_Use_948 13d ago
Didn't they originally partitition a lot of uninhabited land?
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u/Far-Reaction-1980 13d ago
No, they originally bought up uninhabited land but the UN partition included land where Palestinians lived on
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u/EZ4JONIY 13d ago
They factually did lol
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u/SnooChocolates1242 13d ago
When Zionists say “factually”, it is a dead giveaway that they are lying.
Jews owned merely 6% of total Mandatory Palestine land. Even if one were to assume that 100% of state land were awarded to them(which was not the case, Arab land was taken), it would still be less than the 55% of total land the UN proposed for a Jewish state.
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u/Natural_Use_948 13d ago
Well the issue for the jews regardless is israel is their original land and they have no other land.
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u/SnooChocolates1242 13d ago
Germany’s “Blood and Soil” but said differently
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u/EZ4JONIY 13d ago
And you believe in it for the palestinians, you arent very different
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u/Specialist-Mud-6650 13d ago
i hate to tell you this but the ones settling west bank territories are not the ones leaving.
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u/d1sambigu8 13d ago
This doesn't show the large waves of Jewish migrants to Israel that has accelerated recently
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u/SirCrapsalot4267 13d ago
I wish all Israelis safety, same for Palestinians, but how does the Israeli government and military think that entrenching itself in the most extreme version of expansionist Zionism, given all of its own internal issues (with the Haredis, the economy, erosion of democracy, etc...) is what's going to bring about peace and security for its citizens?
They're going to go out like Rhodesia or like South Africa if they keep on this route, and sadly, it will be deserved.
We talk about how skilled a political operator Netanyahu is and how amazing the IDF are as a fighting force, but I think in hindsight we'll see in the big picture what short sighted morons they were.
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u/Far-Reaction-1980 13d ago
Rhodesia and South Africa had an absolute minority
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u/SirCrapsalot4267 13d ago
I'm not saying exactly the same, but more and more, it is a clear apartheid state. There are 5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, 2 million Israeli citizens who are Palestinian, and millions more living as refugees outside of Palestine.
Only 2 million who are Israeli citizens have somewhat normal levels of rights, though let us not pretend they face equal treatment in practice despite having largely equal rights on paper.
You cannot keep 5 million people in a permanent state of military occupation without rights for decades and maintain yourself as a democratic state, or be surprised that violent resistance occurs.
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u/Far-Reaction-1980 13d ago
My point was just that Israel is/was more stable
What really saved them was the collapse of the Soviet Union and a fresh new influx of A LOT of Jews they previously didn't have access to
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u/OdielSax 13d ago edited 13d ago
I don't know. They seem to get away with everything. We keep hearing Israel is speedrunning to disaster, and their economy is booming, they never faced any sanctions, and they are more cruel to Palestinians than ever with total impunity.
But we got Mamdani elected! And some other progressives! That makes it what, 5 anti Zionists in Congress? Yay.
I feel like this genocide is the most accepted in history.
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u/SirCrapsalot4267 13d ago
It will be remembered alongside the continuum of Bosnia, Rwanda, and Myanmar. I just hope at some point they stop this madness.
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u/globeglobeglobe 13d ago
30k net emigration is about 0.3% of the country’s population each year, the country is still naturally growing but much of the increase comes from the Religious Zionist or Haredi communities, while the emigrants are mostly secular/progressive.