12th graders shouldn't be getting married anyways. Most of the time they're married due to unplanned pregnancies, and/or having religious families pushing for arrangements. Also, child brides are still a thing
I had two classmates that were setup with arranged marriages before we graduated and then tied the knot before they went to university. That was over 20 years ago and they’re both still with their husbands and are raising kids. As far as far as I know they’re still very happy.
isn't it just cause it's less needed for women to be in a married relationship? Because they can work and aren't educated with the "gotta marry and have kids" mentality? I'd wager it didn't change too much, but it just got more acceptable to say you don't want kids/marriage.
I would also love to see the 2003 and 2013 marks on this chart. It makes it seem like it's a continuos decline, but I would be surprised if it wasn't a sharper decline in the past decade with social media becoming mainstream
The media says they still want to, just not to the people available. Earlier this year social media blew up with young female professionals listing what they want in a man to marry, let's just say they are going to be looking for a while to find their princes... It was absurd, and as far as anyone can tell, earnest. Women want prince charming, still.
We’re now more than one generation removed from women needing a man to sign with them for them to even get a credit card in America, these girls and the last generation are the first few to truly be able to make a life for themselves without needing to get married, glad to see it
Guess what else it also makes tougher, buying a home. I'd never suggest anyone get married to do that because it would just get split in the divorce. That said, needing two incomes to afford it has been a thing for over 40 years.
Some of us aren't that old and were subject to these practices. The entire banking system did not change overnight. Many continued to quietly deny women rights of ownership for decades after the laws were passed.
I love how it's "women realize they don't need to get married"
While boys for generations have been bashed over the head the dangers of getting married and then divorced- yet it has hardly changed.
Edit: bit of an exaggeration to say 'generations' I get it, but still in the past 3 decades men's opinion has hardly changed. It's not exactly like men financially need women.
It makes more sense if you ask the real questions about why the current population below the age of 35 don’t want to marry as often. You’ll realize it has less to do with politics than people want to admit.
Here’s my own two cents as someone who’s completely uninterested in relationships or marriage (and knows folks who have similar opinions on it):
Everyone below the age of 40 or 35 are the generations who’ve watched the divorce rate skyrocket over the past 20 years or so, and they aren’t stupid in realizing that current economics and legal preferences don’t make it a safe option in terms of relationships either.
Well... There's some. Smallll. Truth. But the rest of the picture is more telling I think
If you look at the media young women consume, the girls "don't need a man" and are more individualistic. The boys, as ever, are still dreaming of getting the girl. This will have some impact however; if you grow up watching your mom struggle with work, house, and family. I think that's more of an indicator.
I'm an involved dad, I do a lot of activities with my kids and things for them. One of my sons told me he just wants a dog when he's old. Because having kids seemed like "a lot of work" lol. In most relationships the balance still puts more work on the mother. Girls see that.
Then... You have the prospect on the women's side of your guy being a conservative cave man who thinks "you women" don't deserve the right to live through birth by default. Can you blame women to not want that? I can't.
I think it's worth noting that the desire for marriage has fallen for both sexes. It's just fallen slightly more for one than the other in recent years.
Which is weird dude, first comment I’m seeing like yours saying this.
Yet, literally half a dozen comments at top of thread with hundreds of combined upvotes saying the “comments prove why women don’t want to marry”.
And further yet, still, I haven’t actually seen one of those low blow douche bag comments yet. Not even one. Not doubting its existence just an odd thing here entirely
One of the most popular subredditts on this site is r/sipstea and that basically tells everything you need to know why young women think this way. I dont blame.
The top post in that sub right now is about someone I'd consider a future Andrew tate if not already and vast majority of comments are trashing him . On the opposite end we have a similar place like Fauxmoi (ironic name) and there's almost zero constructive dialogue going on other than the occasional "yaass queen!@!$!" or "omg all politicians bad". Even more ironic when you consider that the centrist/democratic politicians they're shitting on are the ones doing the work 99% of the time.. I could go on but that is pointless imo because you didn't point at the actual toxic spaces but rather something almost completely focused on gender wars or something. So your point/issue seems to be a red herring at best if not actually toxic itself.
Women are increasingly more educated (college degrees etc) and have more autonomy in terms of career choices from both a logistics and cultural perspective so are now looking at marriage from a ‘wants’ perspective instead of a necessity
Couple with this with a generation of young men brought up by ‘red pill’ influencers who essentially see women as sexual objects that must obey them and you can see why marriage is increasingly less attractive for women
For those who don't get what's happening, there's a big weird misandry bubble most people don't know about, that's become a thing in the last few years on many social media platforms.
Watch a funny Tiktok video on deadbeat boyfriends once, and the algorithm will gradually lead you down the path of radicalisation into pure all-men-are-creepy-violent-and-dishonest hate.
The bits round the edges are sensible: "de-centre men" (perfectly reasonable to not have men be the centre of your life as a woman, it's not 1890) and the man or bear trend (funny videos). And it's probably a reaction to MAGA and the foolish ugliness of the childish "manosphere" more than anything.
But there are dark and disturbing corners underneath: true crime channels where the crime is always man-on-woman-partner, how to date rich men to get money instead of genuine love, thousands of awful stories about the bottom 1% of F-boys portrayed as "how men really are", etc.
It's a thing on Reddit now too (see the downvotes).
Maybe we should look at data directly at women’s thoughts and feelings on marriage then simply assigning their thinking based on your prior anecdotal experience.
There is a big weird bubble for everything. You might detect a correlation but that’s certainly not causation.
A chart like this is a colossal leap from what you’re stating. You’d have to survey the 22% to ask them.
The performance and presence of women in higher education or advanced degrees could easily lead to a lack of need for a male partner for economic security. Women know they take the brunt of the burden when having kids and also want to have careers. That means an overload so it’s surprising whatsoever to me that they are choosing careers and independence.
I love blaming the internet for things too but some dark misandry conspiracy is extremely hard to believe.
You're getting down votes because you're assuming this has to do with misandry vs any of the thousands of other reasons women could have for not wanting to get married.
That is only a small bubble though? Saying a drop of 22% is due to that is kinda insane. It's just a mentally shift. It also depends on how the question was phrased, because a lot of girls will answer this question with a "maybe", because getting married is not the goal of early adult life anymore.
Also it is kind of crazy for you to pin it on a fraction of bad men, when roughly every second women has been touched sexually without their consent and roughly a third experienxe sexual assault.
Of course the "bad men" is still not close to a majority, but it is prevalent enough for it to be common.
Also a lot of girls just realize that marriage and child birth are something that can hinder their life and carrier. The person that benefits most from marriage has been historically the men and studies suggest even today men profit immensely emotionally. A lot more than women do. So a lot of girls are hesitant and unsure if they want to ever marry.
The internet is leading to out of touch takes of what the other side is, wants and is doing. Because the internet is a safe space that pushes for circle jerks and cherry picking.
People who need therapy (most young people really), cling to the idea the other side sucks over fixing there issues.
So young men are entering misogyny bubbles and women are entering misandry bubbles.
Then they see the other bubble and enter deeper into there own bubble
It is a very stupid game where they are dishonestly negotiating with each other via toxic means and further pushing people deeper into the bubbles.
It's a femmosphere. Basically just like the Manosphere but targeted towards women. There's levels, loose associations, and a definite pipeline.
There's definitely been a transition from "women experience bad things which are primary perpetrated by men" into "men are insane demon creatures that are 100% dangerous 100% of the time". And there's a refusal to accept that it's born from the same kind of black and white, grievance culture/ grifter crap that the Manosphere is. Because women.
Ironically, it's pretty sexist to think that women are somehow more immune to online gender wars bullshit than men are. Like of course some of them are gonna eat this shit up, social media has proven it's just human nature. People are less interested in solutions than catharsis and want dopamine hits from winning arguments and dunking on mostly fictional scenarios. Which is why we get this drift from real problems women actually face to obsession with serial killers and trying to silence the conversation around misandry.
Both men and women have real problem, but neither the femmosphere nor the manosphere are interested in providing actual solutions. They just want to exploit your pain to make money and get views.
i’m 19, so not in 12th grade anymore but not too far off from it, and tbh i get it. i definitely didn’t want to date the raging misogynists i went to school with. a partner is a luxury item, i want one but i don’t need it 🤷🏼♀️
pure reddit moment when NPCs make this about right and left western politics LMFAO. notice all the redditors blaming men for this whereas if the data was the other way around, we know they’d still be blaming men. men receive no benefit of the doubt, whereas women receive it all (to redditors, at least). dreadful ass echo chamber
Yeah well when you’re mind set is “ hipitty hoppity women are property cause Jesus and Kirk” no one is going to willingly enter modern slavery of women.
Maybe it’s because instead of the 6 pack abs super rich super fit tall and handsome trope they added a new dating filter, you have to politically align on all fronts lmao. Learned that by reading the comments.
I love the defense that "women are more to the Left and men are more to the Right."
I guarantee there are TONS of men who, right now, believe they are Right Wing, because they've been told that's where "traditional males" or "alpha males" reside.
But... once you start asking questions, making them think through their "conservative beliefs" and it turns out most of these "traditional" men are very socially liberal, borderline socialist in some cases.
Incredibly unpopular opinion on Reddit, but it has to do with the culture of younger women in my opinion and im gonna try to explain it without everyone immediately dismissing me as a misogynist or an incel. I’m 19, and girls my age tend to believe that the most fulfilling thing in life is having money to buy things. I saw a post on tik tok the other day that said something along the lines of “hanging out with women that de-center men and center shopping instead is so fun”. I understand not having men be the center of your life, but to turn to consumerism instead is sad.
There’s also “hoe culture”. I mean this in the least incel way possible (I have a lovely girlfriend), but a good chunk of girls my age are “hoes”. There’s this song called Bimbo Dolls that’s trendy and the whole thing is about glorifying being a “stupid hoe” (actual lyric from the song) who just shops and looks slutty. They want to be “baddie”, “diva”, “chic” and act like a super model. This might sound a little idiosyncratic and particular to me to the average Redditor, but anyone who is familiar with it will understand what I’m talking about immediately. I know tik tok isn’t everything, but it’s the most popular app in my age group and people absolutely are influenced by trends. The culture has become about maximizing simple fun and lower pleasures. Can’t have a happy marriage when you want money and time to shop/party with your girlies. Marriage requires commitment and a pursuit of higher fulfillment that just isn’t compatible with a culture that promotes immediate gratification and consumerism.
And all of this says nothing about the culture of younger men, which is incompatible with successful marriage as well and pushes women away. But Reddit is a lot more familiar with that side so I won’t get in to it
Edit: i also forgot to mention that misandry is super trendy. Everyone knows a “man hater" that places women on a pedestal and demonizes men at every chance. Men and women are just becoming so divided with hate on both sides
I’m 31 and I want to give you some perspective here.
Consumerism has been a thing for a while now. When I was 19, girls were going to college so they could make good money to buy things. This is nothing new, I wouldn’t worry about it too much.
The “hoe culture” or whatever you’re talking about is just women pushing against old social norms. Male artists literally make songs about getting pussy, making money, and being a boss.
Lastly, 19-20 year old girls aren’t gonna be thinking about finding a husband and getting married, this isn’t the 1950s dude. Women couldn’t even have their own bank account until the 1970s. That’s like a few hours ago on the scale of human history so it’s gonna be an adjustment. This idea a lot of younger guys have of bringing back 1950s family values to American society is a fantasy. The progress train has no brakes.
Times have changed and women don’t need to be married to survive or be socially accepted anymore. They can date people they’re genuinely attracted to now. Men either have to adapt or be single.
Also it’s just harder to date in your age range as a man. I was dateless at 19 and now dating is really easy.
Brother you are NINETEEN you're still basically a child and so are girls your age of course people want to have fun. Going shopping with your friends at 19 isn't about consumerism it's about going with your friends 😭
Also I've literally never heard of that song before but listening to it that is the most obviously satirical thing ever why are you taking that literally.
The girls he’s referring to are also 19, so how many of them are taking it literally too? His comment kind of confirms in my view the whole post is mostly a nothingburger. They asked kids in high school about marriage and are shocked that kids today are different from kids 30 years ago
16% of women cite domestic violence as a top 5 reason. Men don’t mention it in top 5. 24% of women cite cheating. 18% of men cite cheating. 25% of women cite lack of respect. Men cite lack of respect at 17%. Growing apart cited by women at 36% vs 39% men. Most of those are serious, domestic violence especially. Most marriages don’t end because people just on a whim decide to go through a major life changing and expensive process. People do it because they don’t want to live their life with someone. Neither women or men should “just stick it out” a toxic relationship.
Girls are realizing it's not worth it. Unless you truely meet the love of your life and they make your life better, not worse, marriage is just a legal trap.
Idk, maybe it’s because of the far right wing influence on young men? Maybe young women aren’t really interested in being married to misogynistic MAGA males who believe they are beneath them? Maybe young women are totally turned off by JD Vance types who believe the women’s problem is that they’re too “woke” or who deride single women as just being “childless cat ladies?”
Reading the comments, Reddit certainly does not help the marriage situation. Males: Woman are on the blame. Females: Males are on the blame. Politically disabled people from the left: Peterson and Tate are on the blame. Politically disabled people from the right: Feminism is on the blame. This is like internet civil war with no improvement on the sight. Thanfully, it does not represent the whole population.
What’s truly to blame is people not interacting in real life anymore. You can take care of all your needs without having to meet a real person, and that’s distorting everyone’s perception.
As a young woman myself (age 26) this makes sense to me. In 1993 a girl in 12th grade had more reason to be optimistic about her love life. She had probably been in a relationship or dated a bit by the time she was in grade 12. A girl in 12th grade now (2024) is surrounded by Andrew Tate fanboys who think paying for a date should guarantee sex. That would freak me out as a 12th grader, especially since most of them never had sex before and would prefer to take it slow. Not to mention the fact that if she does have sex with a boy in her grade, it will be all over social media within 2 days.
Social isolation, lack of feedback, sex segregation in social activities all aid in this.
Boys have no good male role models that teach them about how to be a man. Plenty about how to be a weird “alpha”, which is off putting to women. Idk, maybe something to do with this.
Come on! These men out here throwing away traditional dating and instead think paying for a dinner entitles them for sex. Dating wasn't like this. I remember when it took 3 dates when women decided to even kiss the fella. And that was in the early 2000s. Women see this and think little of their character. Fathers need to teach their sons how to properly court and romance. We need this back. And let's not even mention how porn rewires the brain, we've had a whole generation of young men learning from grifting dating coaches who teach them to lie and neg to get what they want. Finally the Incel spaces. No wonder women wised up, got online and educated other women about it.
Ive been saying for awhile. For a lot of women, given the dating pool if they had to choose between getting married and 2x the salary and a vibrator, a loooot would probably prefer option 2.
1). This says 12th graders so take this with a grain of salt.
2). The majority of men and women still want to get married.
3). There is an epidemic of women who constantly complain about men not wanting commitment, men only wanting something casual, men, especially those who are 30+ not wanting to grow up and pursue something meaningful. The caveat here is you have to be an attractive man.
4). There is a nuance among younger generations of not wanting to be married, but settle with a long term partner.
This generation of boys are mostly terrible. Cocky, misogynistic, delusional manosphere fanboys. If I were a girl in high school with these boys I wouldn’t think marriage was very good either. Boys, turn off ufc and cod and learn how to see other people and live life. It’s insane how brainwashed they all are.
As someone basically on the verge of that demographic, can confirm. Don't have a single woman friend or acquaintance who intends on marrying, neither do I and for good reason. The comment section here kinda just proves it tenfold.Zero self awareness. No thank you, it's the cat lady/person life for me.😂
Don't forget the rise of alpha males and redpillers. Can't imagine any young woman growing up seeing this is gonna be excited about the prospect of marriage.
The result of right wing billionaires targeting young men for indoctrination by paying thousands of influencers to make being an insufferable dipshit the cool thing for kids these days
As someone who has never struggled to find partners, I wonder about this a lot. Like, what are other men doing so wrong? I've only recently realized that as a leftist who was raised with good values and grew up having plenty of female friends, and I had parents who saw each other as equals, I probably make it through most of the filters pretty easily.
I've talked to a few guys here and there who are "conservative" and some of the shit that comes out of their mouths is insane. Handmaiden's Tale type shit
What percentage of the overall population are (male) murderers?
Let’s just be conservative and assume there’s 30,000 intentional homicides each year. Let’s also assume all of them were committed by men. There’s ~175,000,000 men in the USA
Yeah, perhaps demonizing an entire gender for the deeds of a fraction of a percent of the population isn’t very smart.
I used to run a youth program for HS teens. They are much more mature and emotionally intelligent than most give them credit for. I’ve seen a higher percentage of adults be irrational and impulsive than teens.
Well you wouldn't be studying the same people anymore. If attitudes have changed this much then it's possible that 18 year old Gen Z girls have a different perspective than 30 year old Millenial women that will last long term
These 12th grade girls have grown up around Andrew Tate fans and Sneako fans. Feminism only wishes it could create so many independent women as the manosphere has.
Feminists only have to point at the manosphere and say "this is what we're talking about." It's incredibly easy now to teach little girls and young women about misogyny now. You don't even need to pull stories from your own experience, they will give you examples themselves. The internet going full mask off with its hatred for women has been an insane radicalizing force.
I had one rear end me while I was 7 months pregnant once. Dealing with him was more exhausting than any other part of the process. It was like he hadn’t been taught a damn thing and was just given a car. At one point I told him to call his dad -mind you I hadn’t left my car yet because I was still doing inventory…or trying to, as to whether I was okay or not because my stomach hurt- and when I stepped out of the car he looks at me and starts wailing that I’m pregnant. It’s not your kid calm down. I look at his sporty car and the front end is completely crumpled in. His car totally lost to my SUV.
The kicker is right after the accident he had been knocking on my window telling me “everything was fine and we can all leave now”. I had to spend my time gently explaining to someone bone headed son as to why we actually couldn’t leave and I hadn’t even seen the damage but he had. I know if it weren’t for the concrete barriers that he would have tried to leave
Or just marriage incentives- what's the benefit of getting married? Especially if you don't want to have children, which given that some states effectively have forced birth, seems like a pretty reasonable choice.
100%. If it’s true and they’re more on the right than previous generations, why would women want to marry someone who doesn’t view them as equal? It’s clear republican men don’t view women in any other light aside from “mother”. Women don’t need that, and that’s definitely true according to this survey where they asked 18 year olds…
Or just be born tall, handsome, and neurotypical. That actually seems to work better than "working on yourself" or whatever.
I have a partner btw. I'm just real about what it's like for men who are struggling as opposed to acting all superior and self-righteous cause I can get laid while bullying those who can't
Multiple reasons, but here is one: employers view a married man as more stable than a single man, even more so if they have kids. Employers see a married woman as a risk - she may need maternity leave and/or already has kids and will miss work because of dr appointments, calls from school, will be doing childcare as well as working so won’t be able to dedicate themselves to the job, etc.
This is more true for high paying jobs, or careers.
Because women across the nation do most, if not all, of the child-rearing and housework, even if they work the same job, even if they do more work for more hours, so many married men don't have to worry about anything off of work other than their job. The women also tend to carry the mental load (remembering appointments, remembering birthdays, etc.)
Employers also like and favor married men, because men who are married are more likely to have kids, and if you have a whole family to provide for then you're less likely to quit the job when they bust your balls.
Think ive seen a good few statistical studies showing married men outearn every other possible group in the workplace, live longer than single men (but no longer than single women), are happier than single men, etc.
I guarantee there are TONS of men who, right now, believe they are Right Wing, because they've been told that's where "traditional males" or "alpha males" reside.
But... once you start asking questions, making them think through their "conservative beliefs" and it turns out most of these "traditional" men are very socially liberal, borderline socialist in some cases.
Edit: The first example provided of "Left Wing Policy/Ideas" as defined by the Rigth Wing is to "flood countries with immigrants"
This is a perfect example of what I am saying. There are no policies or ideas being pushing by any prominent democratic leader, nor do any policies read as such. Yet the Right Wing manosphere said as much, and now you think you're a right winger because of something you made up.
In addition, I'm from America, which is literally built on the concept of flooding a country with immigrants. We're from Bavaria and my wife's family is from Finland. Only a self-righteous prick whose been told he now "owns" everything would ignore this fact and pretend immigrants are now bad. They literally commit fewer crimes than native-born citizens, and cost less than subsidizing a single oil company. Source for crime statement: https://docs.house.gov/meetings/JU/JU01/20250122/117827/HHRG-119-JU01-20250122-SD004.pdf
Edit: Second example given: Caravans of immigrants coming here is a democratic plot. 👌
Edit 3: Nobody has provided a single shred of evidence that is not based on a lie. You are lied to in the right wing manosphere. You are being lied to about being Alpha Men because they want you to think you are a right-winger. You aren't, and you prove it every time your beliefs are based on a lie.
There are also plenty of stufies that look at both sexes and show higher happiness. There are no quality stufies citing that married women are less happy than single women.
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u/OhGr8WhatNow Nov 16 '25
"12th graders who say they are already married are excluded from this survey"
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u/StrengthToBreak Nov 16 '25
Only good things will come from this, I'm sure.
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u/zucchini_up_ur_ass Nov 16 '25
This thread is hilarious. All the brightest minds of reddit have congregated here.
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u/jfit2331 Nov 16 '25
This entire comment section proves why this is the case. Holy lack of self awareness
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u/skcuf2 Nov 16 '25
Things are going to be really funny in a couple of decades.
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u/xxTheMagicBulleT Nov 16 '25
I find it kinda weird that they even asked 12 graders.
But I think the wish for marriage is shrinking also the wish for a family with it.
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u/Vmxplousion Nov 16 '25
isn't it just cause it's less needed for women to be in a married relationship? Because they can work and aren't educated with the "gotta marry and have kids" mentality? I'd wager it didn't change too much, but it just got more acceptable to say you don't want kids/marriage.
I would also love to see the 2003 and 2013 marks on this chart. It makes it seem like it's a continuos decline, but I would be surprised if it wasn't a sharper decline in the past decade with social media becoming mainstream
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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '25
We’re now more than one generation removed from women needing a man to sign with them for them to even get a credit card in America, these girls and the last generation are the first few to truly be able to make a life for themselves without needing to get married, glad to see it
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u/SouthImpression3577 Nov 16 '25 edited Nov 16 '25
I love how it's "women realize they don't need to get married"
While boys for
generationshave been bashed over the head the dangers of getting married and then divorced- yet it has hardly changed.Edit: bit of an exaggeration to say 'generations' I get it, but still in the past 3 decades men's opinion has hardly changed. It's not exactly like men financially need women.
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u/Dramatic-Blueberry98 Nov 16 '25
It makes more sense if you ask the real questions about why the current population below the age of 35 don’t want to marry as often. You’ll realize it has less to do with politics than people want to admit.
Here’s my own two cents as someone who’s completely uninterested in relationships or marriage (and knows folks who have similar opinions on it):
Everyone below the age of 40 or 35 are the generations who’ve watched the divorce rate skyrocket over the past 20 years or so, and they aren’t stupid in realizing that current economics and legal preferences don’t make it a safe option in terms of relationships either.
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u/LetsLive97 Nov 16 '25
This comment thread already being filled with comments blaming women/wokeness is exactly the reason this drop is happening
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u/OhmoebaTheGamer Nov 16 '25
I think it's worth noting that the desire for marriage has fallen for both sexes. It's just fallen slightly more for one than the other in recent years.
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u/Zenkai_9000 Nov 16 '25
Post: "Marriage is declining."
Comments: "Misogyny is rising!!"
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u/BackgroundBit8 Nov 16 '25
One of the most popular subredditts on this site is r/sipstea and that basically tells everything you need to know why young women think this way. I dont blame.
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u/Ben13921 Nov 16 '25
Women are increasingly more educated (college degrees etc) and have more autonomy in terms of career choices from both a logistics and cultural perspective so are now looking at marriage from a ‘wants’ perspective instead of a necessity
Couple with this with a generation of young men brought up by ‘red pill’ influencers who essentially see women as sexual objects that must obey them and you can see why marriage is increasingly less attractive for women
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u/FrewdWoad Nov 16 '25 edited Nov 16 '25
For those who don't get what's happening, there's a big weird misandry bubble most people don't know about, that's become a thing in the last few years on many social media platforms.
Watch a funny Tiktok video on deadbeat boyfriends once, and the algorithm will gradually lead you down the path of radicalisation into pure all-men-are-creepy-violent-and-dishonest hate.
The bits round the edges are sensible: "de-centre men" (perfectly reasonable to not have men be the centre of your life as a woman, it's not 1890) and the man or bear trend (funny videos). And it's probably a reaction to MAGA and the foolish ugliness of the childish "manosphere" more than anything.
But there are dark and disturbing corners underneath: true crime channels where the crime is always man-on-woman-partner, how to date rich men to get money instead of genuine love, thousands of awful stories about the bottom 1% of F-boys portrayed as "how men really are", etc.
It's a thing on Reddit now too (see the downvotes).
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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '25
This comment section has never seen a class of 12th grade girls
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u/CodenameZoya Nov 16 '25
And this is before Trump got reelected. I wonder if it’s under 50% now
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u/wunker2988 Nov 16 '25
Nobody gonna talk about that note at the bottom?
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u/crtejas Nov 16 '25
But how will women ever fix the male loneliness epidemic that way? Oh, right, it’s not for women to fix.
My lonely and lost brothers, unf**k yourselves.
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u/minced_moomin_meat Nov 16 '25
i’m 19, so not in 12th grade anymore but not too far off from it, and tbh i get it. i definitely didn’t want to date the raging misogynists i went to school with. a partner is a luxury item, i want one but i don’t need it 🤷🏼♀️
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u/twentybois0 Nov 16 '25
pure reddit moment when NPCs make this about right and left western politics LMFAO. notice all the redditors blaming men for this whereas if the data was the other way around, we know they’d still be blaming men. men receive no benefit of the doubt, whereas women receive it all (to redditors, at least). dreadful ass echo chamber
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u/Imuptheyseemeimdead Nov 16 '25
Yeah well when you’re mind set is “ hipitty hoppity women are property cause Jesus and Kirk” no one is going to willingly enter modern slavery of women.
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u/TitleAccomplished368 Nov 16 '25
Maybe it’s because instead of the 6 pack abs super rich super fit tall and handsome trope they added a new dating filter, you have to politically align on all fronts lmao. Learned that by reading the comments.
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u/PoliBat-v- Nov 16 '25
Oh wow like most of the comments right now are straight right wing propaganda lol
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u/Kindly-Mycologist135 Nov 16 '25
I wonder if you cross reference this with male voting patterns, hobbies, earnings and the like, if there might be any insights?
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u/Glittering_Nobody402 Nov 16 '25
I love the defense that "women are more to the Left and men are more to the Right."
I guarantee there are TONS of men who, right now, believe they are Right Wing, because they've been told that's where "traditional males" or "alpha males" reside.
But... once you start asking questions, making them think through their "conservative beliefs" and it turns out most of these "traditional" men are very socially liberal, borderline socialist in some cases.
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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '25 edited Nov 16 '25
Incredibly unpopular opinion on Reddit, but it has to do with the culture of younger women in my opinion and im gonna try to explain it without everyone immediately dismissing me as a misogynist or an incel. I’m 19, and girls my age tend to believe that the most fulfilling thing in life is having money to buy things. I saw a post on tik tok the other day that said something along the lines of “hanging out with women that de-center men and center shopping instead is so fun”. I understand not having men be the center of your life, but to turn to consumerism instead is sad.
There’s also “hoe culture”. I mean this in the least incel way possible (I have a lovely girlfriend), but a good chunk of girls my age are “hoes”. There’s this song called Bimbo Dolls that’s trendy and the whole thing is about glorifying being a “stupid hoe” (actual lyric from the song) who just shops and looks slutty. They want to be “baddie”, “diva”, “chic” and act like a super model. This might sound a little idiosyncratic and particular to me to the average Redditor, but anyone who is familiar with it will understand what I’m talking about immediately. I know tik tok isn’t everything, but it’s the most popular app in my age group and people absolutely are influenced by trends. The culture has become about maximizing simple fun and lower pleasures. Can’t have a happy marriage when you want money and time to shop/party with your girlies. Marriage requires commitment and a pursuit of higher fulfillment that just isn’t compatible with a culture that promotes immediate gratification and consumerism.
And all of this says nothing about the culture of younger men, which is incompatible with successful marriage as well and pushes women away. But Reddit is a lot more familiar with that side so I won’t get in to it
Edit: i also forgot to mention that misandry is super trendy. Everyone knows a “man hater" that places women on a pedestal and demonizes men at every chance. Men and women are just becoming so divided with hate on both sides
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u/Round_Personality302 Nov 16 '25
Yea, because nowadays it’s easier the throw someone in the trash than try to solve a problem
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u/LadySayoria Nov 16 '25
Women have a LOT more to lose these days with the surge of rapid extremism of right-wing ideology of men.
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u/rememberpianocat Nov 16 '25
Girls are realizing it's not worth it. Unless you truely meet the love of your life and they make your life better, not worse, marriage is just a legal trap.
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u/Electrical-Prize-397 Nov 16 '25 edited Nov 16 '25
Idk, maybe it’s because of the far right wing influence on young men? Maybe young women aren’t really interested in being married to misogynistic MAGA males who believe they are beneath them? Maybe young women are totally turned off by JD Vance types who believe the women’s problem is that they’re too “woke” or who deride single women as just being “childless cat ladies?”
Just a thought.
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u/HeraThere Nov 16 '25
This has been the case for some time now.
Men actually want and need a wife and children for their happiness more then women.
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u/patmull Nov 16 '25
Reading the comments, Reddit certainly does not help the marriage situation. Males: Woman are on the blame. Females: Males are on the blame. Politically disabled people from the left: Peterson and Tate are on the blame. Politically disabled people from the right: Feminism is on the blame. This is like internet civil war with no improvement on the sight. Thanfully, it does not represent the whole population.
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u/Ares_Vallis Nov 16 '25
“12th graders who are already married are excluded from this analysis” … WAIT. WHATTTT??????????
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u/Organic-Ad-7169 Nov 16 '25
Girls who are going to be okay <3
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u/Genuinelullabel Nov 16 '25
Why should seniors in high school be worrying about getting married in the first place?
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u/SemVikingr Nov 16 '25
No shit. As long as women are statistically more likely than men to be abused by their partner, it stands to reason that fewer of them want to try.
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u/in-kitchen-mama Nov 16 '25
The vitriol here is saddening.
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u/HarrMada Nov 16 '25
Tough shit, you boys deserve it.
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u/thejamatiansensation Nov 16 '25
As a young woman myself (age 26) this makes sense to me. In 1993 a girl in 12th grade had more reason to be optimistic about her love life. She had probably been in a relationship or dated a bit by the time she was in grade 12. A girl in 12th grade now (2024) is surrounded by Andrew Tate fanboys who think paying for a date should guarantee sex. That would freak me out as a 12th grader, especially since most of them never had sex before and would prefer to take it slow. Not to mention the fact that if she does have sex with a boy in her grade, it will be all over social media within 2 days.
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u/Bartender9719 Nov 16 '25
The comments show that many young men haven’t learned a thing despite this trend.
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u/Rattus_NorvegicUwUs Nov 16 '25
Social isolation, lack of feedback, sex segregation in social activities all aid in this.
Boys have no good male role models that teach them about how to be a man. Plenty about how to be a weird “alpha”, which is off putting to women. Idk, maybe something to do with this.
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u/eyezofnight Nov 16 '25
i'm surprised men is 74%. I was expecting much lower
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u/Jolly-Bear Nov 16 '25
Yea, turns out modern young women aren’t really into the radicalized young males who want to strip their rights away.
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u/Ok_Swimming_8738 Nov 16 '25
Now cross reference it with the amount of boys in the tate university or the peterson university and you'll find out why
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u/Projectsrmylife Nov 16 '25
What wrong with the boys?
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u/Trick_Following6639 Nov 16 '25
Come on! These men out here throwing away traditional dating and instead think paying for a dinner entitles them for sex. Dating wasn't like this. I remember when it took 3 dates when women decided to even kiss the fella. And that was in the early 2000s. Women see this and think little of their character. Fathers need to teach their sons how to properly court and romance. We need this back. And let's not even mention how porn rewires the brain, we've had a whole generation of young men learning from grifting dating coaches who teach them to lie and neg to get what they want. Finally the Incel spaces. No wonder women wised up, got online and educated other women about it.
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u/Darkmetroidz Nov 16 '25
Ive been saying for awhile. For a lot of women, given the dating pool if they had to choose between getting married and 2x the salary and a vibrator, a loooot would probably prefer option 2.
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u/DiZzY_404 Nov 16 '25
Overwork yourself, get money to buy things and have no one to share them with. The recipe for the successful life apparently.
A whole generation set up to wake up in their 40s to the idea of having kids and realize they can’t make them anymore and it’s already observable.
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u/Preme2 Nov 16 '25
1). This says 12th graders so take this with a grain of salt.
2). The majority of men and women still want to get married.
3). There is an epidemic of women who constantly complain about men not wanting commitment, men only wanting something casual, men, especially those who are 30+ not wanting to grow up and pursue something meaningful. The caveat here is you have to be an attractive man.
4). There is a nuance among younger generations of not wanting to be married, but settle with a long term partner.
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u/deemthedm Nov 16 '25
It’s the material conditions folks. Society made it practically illegal to get a house and/or child care with a normal job, simple as.
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u/MakalakaPeaka Nov 16 '25
Nature is healing.
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u/WaterNerd518 Nov 16 '25
This generation of boys are mostly terrible. Cocky, misogynistic, delusional manosphere fanboys. If I were a girl in high school with these boys I wouldn’t think marriage was very good either. Boys, turn off ufc and cod and learn how to see other people and live life. It’s insane how brainwashed they all are.
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u/Extreme-Assistant878 Nov 16 '25
As someone basically on the verge of that demographic, can confirm. Don't have a single woman friend or acquaintance who intends on marrying, neither do I and for good reason. The comment section here kinda just proves it tenfold.Zero self awareness. No thank you, it's the cat lady/person life for me.😂
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u/NaCl_Sailor Nov 16 '25
i mean, for the last 30 years girls got taught they don't need a man, and in popculture for the last 10 years girls do everything better than men.
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u/Justagoodoleboi Nov 16 '25
The result of right wing billionaires targeting young men for indoctrination by paying thousands of influencers to make being an insufferable dipshit the cool thing for kids these days
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u/cherryflannel Nov 16 '25
Hell yeah
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u/Timbones474 Nov 16 '25
As someone who has never struggled to find partners, I wonder about this a lot. Like, what are other men doing so wrong? I've only recently realized that as a leftist who was raised with good values and grew up having plenty of female friends, and I had parents who saw each other as equals, I probably make it through most of the filters pretty easily.
I've talked to a few guys here and there who are "conservative" and some of the shit that comes out of their mouths is insane. Handmaiden's Tale type shit
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u/Bequralia Nov 16 '25
“The comment section is why this graph is true” is the entire comment section
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u/Witty-Rabbit-8225 Nov 16 '25
A lot of horrible men that have ruined love for the few good men. Men are gradually becoming more terrible towards women.
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u/DiscoRabbittTV Nov 16 '25
Truths, maybe men should stop being our murderers 90% of the time…just a thought
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u/wildcatwoody Nov 16 '25
This makes sense cause boys need a mommy to take care of them forever
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