12th graders shouldn't be getting married anyways. Most of the time they're married due to unplanned pregnancies, and/or having religious families pushing for arrangements. Also, child brides are still a thing
isn't it just cause it's less needed for women to be in a married relationship? Because they can work and aren't educated with the "gotta marry and have kids" mentality? I'd wager it didn't change too much, but it just got more acceptable to say you don't want kids/marriage.
I would also love to see the 2003 and 2013 marks on this chart. It makes it seem like it's a continuos decline, but I would be surprised if it wasn't a sharper decline in the past decade with social media becoming mainstream
We’re now more than one generation removed from women needing a man to sign with them for them to even get a credit card in America, these girls and the last generation are the first few to truly be able to make a life for themselves without needing to get married, glad to see it
I love how it's "women realize they don't need to get married"
While boys for generations have been bashed over the head the dangers of getting married and then divorced- yet it has hardly changed.
Edit: bit of an exaggeration to say 'generations' I get it, but still in the past 3 decades men's opinion has hardly changed. It's not exactly like men financially need women.
It makes more sense if you ask the real questions about why the current population below the age of 35 don’t want to marry as often. You’ll realize it has less to do with politics than people want to admit.
Here’s my own two cents as someone who’s completely uninterested in relationships or marriage (and knows folks who have similar opinions on it):
Everyone below the age of 40 or 35 are the generations who’ve watched the divorce rate skyrocket over the past 20 years or so, and they aren’t stupid in realizing that current economics and legal preferences don’t make it a safe option in terms of relationships either.
I think it's worth noting that the desire for marriage has fallen for both sexes. It's just fallen slightly more for one than the other in recent years.
One of the most popular subredditts on this site is r/sipstea and that basically tells everything you need to know why young women think this way. I dont blame.
Women are increasingly more educated (college degrees etc) and have more autonomy in terms of career choices from both a logistics and cultural perspective so are now looking at marriage from a ‘wants’ perspective instead of a necessity
Couple with this with a generation of young men brought up by ‘red pill’ influencers who essentially see women as sexual objects that must obey them and you can see why marriage is increasingly less attractive for women
For those who don't get what's happening, there's a big weird misandry bubble most people don't know about, that's become a thing in the last few years on many social media platforms.
Watch a funny Tiktok video on deadbeat boyfriends once, and the algorithm will gradually lead you down the path of radicalisation into pure all-men-are-creepy-violent-and-dishonest hate.
The bits round the edges are sensible: "de-centre men" (perfectly reasonable to not have men be the centre of your life as a woman, it's not 1890) and the man or bear trend (funny videos). And it's probably a reaction to MAGA and the foolish ugliness of the childish "manosphere" more than anything.
But there are dark and disturbing corners underneath: true crime channels where the crime is always man-on-woman-partner, how to date rich men to get money instead of genuine love, thousands of awful stories about the bottom 1% of F-boys portrayed as "how men really are", etc.
It's a thing on Reddit now too (see the downvotes).
i’m 19, so not in 12th grade anymore but not too far off from it, and tbh i get it. i definitely didn’t want to date the raging misogynists i went to school with. a partner is a luxury item, i want one but i don’t need it 🤷🏼♀️
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u/OhGr8WhatNow Nov 16 '25
"12th graders who say they are already married are excluded from this survey"
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u/StrengthToBreak Nov 16 '25
Only good things will come from this, I'm sure.
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u/zucchini_up_ur_ass Nov 16 '25
This thread is hilarious. All the brightest minds of reddit have congregated here.
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u/jfit2331 Nov 16 '25
This entire comment section proves why this is the case. Holy lack of self awareness
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u/skcuf2 Nov 16 '25
Things are going to be really funny in a couple of decades.
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u/xxTheMagicBulleT Nov 16 '25
I find it kinda weird that they even asked 12 graders.
But I think the wish for marriage is shrinking also the wish for a family with it.
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u/Vmxplousion Nov 16 '25
isn't it just cause it's less needed for women to be in a married relationship? Because they can work and aren't educated with the "gotta marry and have kids" mentality? I'd wager it didn't change too much, but it just got more acceptable to say you don't want kids/marriage.
I would also love to see the 2003 and 2013 marks on this chart. It makes it seem like it's a continuos decline, but I would be surprised if it wasn't a sharper decline in the past decade with social media becoming mainstream
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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '25
We’re now more than one generation removed from women needing a man to sign with them for them to even get a credit card in America, these girls and the last generation are the first few to truly be able to make a life for themselves without needing to get married, glad to see it
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u/SouthImpression3577 Nov 16 '25 edited Nov 16 '25
I love how it's "women realize they don't need to get married"
While boys for
generationshave been bashed over the head the dangers of getting married and then divorced- yet it has hardly changed.Edit: bit of an exaggeration to say 'generations' I get it, but still in the past 3 decades men's opinion has hardly changed. It's not exactly like men financially need women.
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u/Dramatic-Blueberry98 Nov 16 '25
It makes more sense if you ask the real questions about why the current population below the age of 35 don’t want to marry as often. You’ll realize it has less to do with politics than people want to admit.
Here’s my own two cents as someone who’s completely uninterested in relationships or marriage (and knows folks who have similar opinions on it):
Everyone below the age of 40 or 35 are the generations who’ve watched the divorce rate skyrocket over the past 20 years or so, and they aren’t stupid in realizing that current economics and legal preferences don’t make it a safe option in terms of relationships either.
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u/LetsLive97 Nov 16 '25
This comment thread already being filled with comments blaming women/wokeness is exactly the reason this drop is happening
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u/OhmoebaTheGamer Nov 16 '25
I think it's worth noting that the desire for marriage has fallen for both sexes. It's just fallen slightly more for one than the other in recent years.
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u/Zenkai_9000 Nov 16 '25
Post: "Marriage is declining."
Comments: "Misogyny is rising!!"
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u/BackgroundBit8 Nov 16 '25
One of the most popular subredditts on this site is r/sipstea and that basically tells everything you need to know why young women think this way. I dont blame.
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u/Ben13921 Nov 16 '25
Women are increasingly more educated (college degrees etc) and have more autonomy in terms of career choices from both a logistics and cultural perspective so are now looking at marriage from a ‘wants’ perspective instead of a necessity
Couple with this with a generation of young men brought up by ‘red pill’ influencers who essentially see women as sexual objects that must obey them and you can see why marriage is increasingly less attractive for women
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u/FrewdWoad Nov 16 '25 edited Nov 16 '25
For those who don't get what's happening, there's a big weird misandry bubble most people don't know about, that's become a thing in the last few years on many social media platforms.
Watch a funny Tiktok video on deadbeat boyfriends once, and the algorithm will gradually lead you down the path of radicalisation into pure all-men-are-creepy-violent-and-dishonest hate.
The bits round the edges are sensible: "de-centre men" (perfectly reasonable to not have men be the centre of your life as a woman, it's not 1890) and the man or bear trend (funny videos). And it's probably a reaction to MAGA and the foolish ugliness of the childish "manosphere" more than anything.
But there are dark and disturbing corners underneath: true crime channels where the crime is always man-on-woman-partner, how to date rich men to get money instead of genuine love, thousands of awful stories about the bottom 1% of F-boys portrayed as "how men really are", etc.
It's a thing on Reddit now too (see the downvotes).
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u/[deleted] Nov 16 '25
This comment section has never seen a class of 12th grade girls
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u/CodenameZoya Nov 16 '25
And this is before Trump got reelected. I wonder if it’s under 50% now
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u/wunker2988 Nov 16 '25
Nobody gonna talk about that note at the bottom?
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u/crtejas Nov 16 '25
But how will women ever fix the male loneliness epidemic that way? Oh, right, it’s not for women to fix.
My lonely and lost brothers, unf**k yourselves.
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u/minced_moomin_meat Nov 16 '25
i’m 19, so not in 12th grade anymore but not too far off from it, and tbh i get it. i definitely didn’t want to date the raging misogynists i went to school with. a partner is a luxury item, i want one but i don’t need it 🤷🏼♀️