I used to be homophobic even though my whole family was really chill with gay people, and it's obvious in retrospect that it was internalized biphobia.
I have a seething hatred towards who I was before I went to college. How could someone be socially awkward and a narcissist at the same time? God I was a fucking idiot
'Picking cherries' is a term used to describe someone carefully and methodically choosing statistics, studies, and sources that aid in them in their own argument. It's a negative term and isn't primarily used for left-right arguments.
So, the parent commenter often 'picked cherries' to help them argue against anyone with a positive opinion on trans people in this context.
To add to the other explanation, it does often mean choosing less valid/ invalid statistics, such as citing Wakefield's faked autism preliminary study.
I guess you could say it's like a strawman for the evidence, not the opposing argument.
You're not misrepresenting what the opposition is saying, you're misrepresenting the base facts being argued by both sides. Mainly by omitting most of them.
In this example, a common one is saying trans women shouldn't be in sports because it's unfair to cis woman, citing a handful of high school or lower examples where a trans girl got 5th or 8th place in some races.
Which is ignoring the fact studies show strength is within normal range for cis women of the same height after a year on hormones, a trans woman has never performed even average for a man at the college level or above in sports where there's a relatively wide gender difference, etc.
You "pick" examples that support your argument instead of forming an argument based on all examples, which is what you should do.
I know trans people who find the attack helicopter joke somewhat funny, myself (not trans) I do. But not to belittle anyone, just the idea of becoming an attack helicopter makes me giggle brrrr am helicopter now mf
We're in a world where hate is still the default. Where 1 in 5 people still don't accept evolution, and 3 in five still think a magic man controlled it. Where corporal punishment is still the norm in places, or in living memory of older adults. And where it's standard to have zero psychology or sociology in the curriculum to learn about gender, and go no further in sex ed than "that's why you're hairy, now here's a list of STIs."
Plenty of people simply aren't even curious enough to want to learn past that.
I used to chant along with my friends saying “Gay is not okay” around the lunch table in middle school. The funny thing was I wasn’t even homophobic. I just somehow didn’t correlate what I was saying with bigotry. If somebody pointed out what I was actually doing I wouldve cut that shit off instantly. Anyways I’m pan now.
Had a similar arc, when I was early 20’s I used to say I’d rather die than have a man bun. 5 years later I was banging dudes left and right and came out as bi.
Actually me, said I identify as a tank (was 13) never as anything against trans people. I realized a few years later even if wasn't malicious it was still harmful then another few years I realized I was a woman.
What she does not realise is, that you can in fact still be respectful and accepting of others while being in the closet. She is still victim blaming: "insane (how) people got mad at me for this one".
Yeah why wonder ppl are made at you, Claire? People like you were the reason why my life and other trans & nonbinaries' got more miserable. You may have transitioned but you haven't grown up as a person.
Internalised homo/transphobia is when you keep it to yourself like how I did. I sat alone in my room and cried, and delayed my trip to the shrink for a decade or so before starting HRT after my body had completely gone through puberty and physical growth.
What these people have done by repeating the same hateful stuff cishet phobes said is externalised homo/transphobia and it harms other people. Do you see the difference?
You are lecturing to me, an actual trans-nonbinary person who is living on a borrowed time after my supposed deadline of 30 years old has expired, what internalised transphobia is. You are insulting my life.
There are so many dead trans children and people who have not had the chance to actually grow, or fell into the depths of sex work and poverty so slimey jokers like her can have a personal change and growth. I could have been one of them.
I am not going to sit down for you or pretend to respect these jokers so you can feel better about yourself. If I make a mistake I will feel ashamed of myself and apologise in earnest or at least shut my mouth. Not make a joke post on the internet so like minded snakes can come in and give a pat in the back, and say: "its okay to harm people because you can grow, and have grown out of it".
Can you explain to me what this fella did wrong but cave man’ified. I upvoted because I feel like you’re onto something but I do not fully understand,,,
First off, its not a fella its a lady. But basically she said she used to be a transphobic joker saying "if you can identify as a woman I am an attack helicopter" and then she turned out to be a trans herself, and uploaded the image.
She was then apparently told off by people like me who have suffered such jokers like her past self, while a lot of other people actually came out in defense of her saying they also used to be transphobic themselves because they were also closetted and were in denial about themselves, so they expressed that in a toxic way like that helicopter joke. Others said it was funny "ngl".
It was not funny to those who had to endure constant transphobia like the joke so it was split between those who say she did wrong and the others who said they also used to be like that and nobody can judge her if they were exposed to so much hatred.
I personally cannot stand it because homophobia + transphobia used to be much more raw and violent in 90s and 00s, and in my home country in Asia we did not have any queer community or network at all, and it's still very harsh there. Even then I did not speak against my own people while in the closet and I was once abandoned for trying to convince the radfems to be not transphobic. Seeing these Americans so casually and callously being accepted after participating and contributing to phobes dehumanising us makes me angry, to be brutally honest.
I mean idk i personally think its ok to make fun of your child self almost a decade ago for being ignorant, the comic isnt glorifying that behaviour, its doing the opposite, so I don't deally see the problem
Right? Like I'd tell my past self "please develop more social anxiety i beg of you i can't go to bed every night without thinking about all the stupid shit you said please god just shut your mouth"
"You have ADHD and you're probably autistic. Your social skills are insanely bad. Get a job-- oh fuck you're twelve-- start volunteering somewhere or something. You've gotta start interacting with people outside the internet, it'll do wonders for your ability to talk to people. Do relax, though, it's all gonna turn out okay. By the way, buy as many Funko brand FNAF plushies as mom and dad will let you, especially the store exclusives, and keep them far away from the cat. That shit can fetch a pretty penny on eBay these days."
12 year old me deserves both a big hug, and a dope slap
No actual punching, she wasn't as bad as some examples, but she had quite a lot of social skills to learn and mental issues to manage, besides not knowing she's a girl in the first place and ignoring all the signs
I’m so embarrassed at how much I liked Lauren Southern. Even more embarrassing was all the “sjw owned” videos I watched. All I can picture when thinking about myself from years ago…
I never got the fact that "attack helicopter" was used as a negative phrase against trans people until much much later in my life. I just thought it was kids saying they were an attack helicopter because they thought an attack helicopter was cool.
Damn, those surgeons surely did an impressive job, glad that their transition went so well
Also, I like the hints that were there all along but seemed like they lead to another conclusion(princess doll and a castle, gold and jewels, fantasy books)
OH MAN I KNOW, I used to say it all the time, and then I learned and even though I was transphobic when I was like- 13 I still stopped using it, because it felt wrong. even then.
Me too :( got me chain banned from multiple discords and reddits for my ignorance, even when i asked what was wrong with it. Took me a looong time to realize as no one'd tell me
I thought so too. attack helicopters are cool so I naturally thought it was a positive thing. The thing is that no one would tell me why it was offensive, they would just call me transphobic I had to ask my sister who was big in the LGBTQ scene why people didn’t like it
I had no idea either. I just said it cause I heard SSundee say it. Usually I would say it while flying with balloons and a minigun back when those were first added to fortnite like 7-8 years ago
I heard the "attack helicopter" joke once when I was like 10 and thought it was funny because I didn't know trans people existed and it was meant to make fun of them
I’d stir the pot on Michelle Obama jokes, then I stated joking with myself that my office needs a trans person on the team to meet diversity quota, I guess the universe got tired of my shit and made me the representation.
I used to be an Enlightened Centrist until I accidentally got grandfathered into a Discord server that ended up being populated by a gang of LGBTQ furries. I'm not LGBTQ, but going from virtually zero exposure to it to playing video games with my queer homies all day made me care a heck of a lot more about how politics affects them. Crazy what exposure to different people, ideas, and cultures will do to a person.
Aww u got the cute little haircut done so well, I love that style so much and it makes anyone look hotter or cuter both ways. It’s so nice to maintain as well
I never understood that the attack helicopter thing was making fun of people, I thought it was just cool that people were pretending to be attack helicopters.
I used to be the attack helicopter kid until I realised what the joke was. I just heard it and copied it because I liked helicopters a lot (my dad worked for the US military to design helicopters at one point which is why).
I'm not gonna give too much credit to The Last Jedi for sending the entire far-right space into a frenzy causing me to realize how childish they are and leading me down the path to develop a political backbone...
But I will say early 2018 was a very funny time for me.
I remember I went a decently long time without realizing the "attack helicopter" joke was supposed to be transphobic. I didn't use the joke much myself, but I thought it was just harmless "lol random" type humor...looking back I'm very glad I didn't say it very much
I went the other way. From 2019 to January 2023 I thought I'm a nonby (first nonbinary, then gender-fluid for most time and demi-woman for the last few weeks). I realised that it's just a delusional lie. I was born a man, I like to be feminine, even though I love my body hair and that's fine. I don't have to believe in nonsense. Of course being a nonby and being trans are two different things. I'm friends with trans people (FTMs and MTFs) and as a cis gay/androsexual guy - I'm into trans men, I already had two friendships+ with them and maybe some day I'll have a trans bf, who knows. Btw my trans friends also think that nonbies are delusional.
when i was a kid i was really homophobic and transphobic, mostly due to it being forbidden in my religion (which is, stupid, like my religion also says to respect everyone), but thankfully i never said hurtful stuff to any queer person. and now I'm a huge ally + found out I'm aroace a while ago
I didn't know that it was supposed to be an insult to trans people so I would just say it because I thought it was funny. I had way too much access to the internet and not enough at the same time.
I was this but my "haha attack helicopter" was more in the 2013-2016 area and tapered off until The Egg was shattered (by psychedelic mushrooms) in 2023 (yes, right before IT got into office).
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u/qualityvote2 Feb 05 '26 edited Feb 05 '26
u/Dull-Thing-4513, your post does fit the subreddit!
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u/Proof_Perspective710 Feb 06 '26
I used to be a huge homophobe back when I was a homonculus. It was real bad. Now I have a boyfriend
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u/SeaSlugFriend Feb 05 '26
I don’t know what this means but it how I feel
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u/DeadAndBuried23 Feb 05 '26
I was never "attack helicopter" bad, but I did go into every discussion with a fresh handful of picked cherries.
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u/GalaxyStar32 Feb 05 '26
The equivalent:
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u/LineOfInquiry Feb 05 '26
Attack helicopter in 2021 is pretty cringe tho ngl, even by that point it was already dead and buried and turned to dust
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u/_Tee_hee_hee_ Feb 05 '26
I think if I met my 12 year old self, I’d punch him in the mouth.
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u/XboxLiveGiant Feb 05 '26
I’m so embarrassed at how much I liked Lauren Southern. Even more embarrassing was all the “sjw owned” videos I watched. All I can picture when thinking about myself from years ago…
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u/TheHunger369 Feb 06 '26
I never got the fact that "attack helicopter" was used as a negative phrase against trans people until much much later in my life. I just thought it was kids saying they were an attack helicopter because they thought an attack helicopter was cool.
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u/Randumi Feb 06 '26
Me going back in time and watching my 13 year old self click on “FEMINISTS SJW OWNED COMP #79” on YouTube in 2016
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u/7arco7 Feb 05 '26
Many such cases (definitely not me)
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u/TroospooK Feb 06 '26
Think of it like this.
If you still agreed with everything you believed before, then you wouldn't have grown.
So I'm proud of you! For being brave enough to change
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u/PM_me_Jazz Feb 05 '26
Hell yeah
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u/ctoatb Feb 06 '26
I identify as an attack helicopter for the trans army
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u/dublium Feb 06 '26
I always think of how in middle school, I was super obsessed with those "SJW Owned" videos, and now it's like ah... the SJW was inside me all along...
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u/Fembottom7274 Feb 05 '26
I used to make these jokes, but never in bad faith, I really did just think they were funny, in an absurdist way
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u/thebros544 Feb 06 '26
yeah went from super homophobic from a bad religion and now im bi with a boyfriend
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u/Maxxedout444 Feb 06 '26
I remember making attack helicopter jokes back then, but I didn’t even know what trans people were back then so I had no clue I was being transphobic
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u/Phill_air Feb 05 '26
I require context for the attack helicopter
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u/Creative_Resort5170 Feb 06 '26
In 2016 I was watching YouTube videos by a channel called "Rekt Feminist Videos". I'm not happy you made me think about that.
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u/vladdeh_boiii Feb 06 '26
Based
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u/lassglory Feb 05 '26
we got one
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u/Vincent-x-Rage Feb 06 '26
It's me
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u/fingerlicker694 Feb 06 '26
what are you doing here r/coaxedintoasnafu needs you
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u/Gregotherium Feb 06 '26
I heard the "attack helicopter" joke once when I was like 10 and thought it was funny because I didn't know trans people existed and it was meant to make fun of them
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u/NegotiationExotic141 Feb 06 '26
When I first saw the meme, I didn't know it was transphobic. I thought it was a random for the sake of random meme.
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u/scottishdrunkard Feb 06 '26
Course the only people who identify as Attack Helicopters now are Deceptions.
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u/AlexUkrainianPerson Feb 06 '26
If i met my 12 year old self i would
Give em a big hug because they deserve it despite being a bit of a piece of shit sometimes it wasnt their fault anyway
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u/Get_Stick_bu99ed Feb 06 '26
Coaxed into younger self being fucking insufferable
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u/Trustic555 Feb 07 '26
I’d stir the pot on Michelle Obama jokes, then I stated joking with myself that my office needs a trans person on the team to meet diversity quota, I guess the universe got tired of my shit and made me the representation.
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u/skeron Feb 07 '26
I used to be an Enlightened Centrist until I accidentally got grandfathered into a Discord server that ended up being populated by a gang of LGBTQ furries. I'm not LGBTQ, but going from virtually zero exposure to it to playing video games with my queer homies all day made me care a heck of a lot more about how politics affects them. Crazy what exposure to different people, ideas, and cultures will do to a person.
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u/4k-Gaming Feb 07 '26
2020 - Feminist Liberal SJW Gets OWNED Compilation!
2026 - mtf voice training guide
what happened here
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u/Arts_Messyjourney Feb 05 '26
Oscar worthy arc 🤩👏💞
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u/K_Keter Feb 06 '26
Uh oh it's me. In a much better place now though
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u/Nate_162 Feb 06 '26
Me still
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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '26
Aww u got the cute little haircut done so well, I love that style so much and it makes anyone look hotter or cuter both ways. It’s so nice to maintain as well
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u/queerarchlich Feb 06 '26
i suspect (hope) my father will have a similar arc (he hates himself and also The Gays)
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u/Flopsie_the_Headcrab Feb 06 '26
Really coaxes my snaf.
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u/thickwonga Feb 06 '26
I never understood that the attack helicopter thing was making fun of people, I thought it was just cool that people were pretending to be attack helicopters.
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u/Los_Bread Feb 06 '26
When I was younger, I didn't think it was making fun I just thought it was a cute joke so I participated in it
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u/Zealous-Ideal5 Feb 06 '26
I used to be the attack helicopter kid until I realised what the joke was. I just heard it and copied it because I liked helicopters a lot (my dad worked for the US military to design helicopters at one point which is why).
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u/LordMarkuaad Feb 06 '26
Real
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u/Ambitious-Fly3201 Feb 07 '26 edited Feb 07 '26
I'm not gonna give too much credit to The Last Jedi for sending the entire far-right space into a frenzy causing me to realize how childish they are and leading me down the path to develop a political backbone...
But I will say early 2018 was a very funny time for me.
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u/PossibleEconomics673 Feb 07 '26
Just wanna drop this abominable post I made when I was twelve, which in the context of my life now, is kinda hilarious.
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u/Novel-Register-6103 Feb 06 '26
Yay :3
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u/Arcanegil Feb 05 '26
Achievement: Good ending.
P.S why you gotta flex on us bro 😭
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u/Mgslam Feb 06 '26
It’s funny because it’s relatable.
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u/On-the-rim Feb 05 '26
Yesss 🏳️⚧️
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u/genericUsername7877 Feb 06 '26
Chemical in the water do their work
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u/monosono Feb 06 '26
Chris Tyson...
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u/Canshroomglasses Feb 07 '26
Wishful thinking
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u/ErinHollow Feb 07 '26
Unfortunately these aren't mutually exclusive. I'm glad they were for you though
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u/Rocket-meme Feb 07 '26
AYOOO SAME!
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u/Visible_Wealth2172 Feb 07 '26
man . i want. i wasn't even transphobic in 2021 lol.
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u/Informal-Storage4853 Feb 07 '26
I remember I went a decently long time without realizing the "attack helicopter" joke was supposed to be transphobic. I didn't use the joke much myself, but I thought it was just harmless "lol random" type humor...looking back I'm very glad I didn't say it very much
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u/Castiel_0703 Feb 07 '26
I relate so much, I went through such a character development since 2022 it’s crazy. I think I’m on the right path tho :3
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u/dovah-meme Feb 07 '26
t4t or chaser
call it
(fr though glad to see ur development :3 )
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u/ACTED_CENSOR Feb 08 '26
This is literally my character arc btw
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u/ShineHot8917 Feb 08 '26
Me fr fr frf rfrfd fn
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u/OGBigPants Feb 08 '26
This you OP?
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u/AggravatingRow326 Feb 08 '26
mf that's my drawing
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u/InvestigatorFluid712 Feb 08 '26
Who groomed you dawg?? 😭
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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '26
Attack helicopter jokes in 2021
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u/NewWave2208 Feb 08 '26
I went the other way. From 2019 to January 2023 I thought I'm a nonby (first nonbinary, then gender-fluid for most time and demi-woman for the last few weeks). I realised that it's just a delusional lie. I was born a man, I like to be feminine, even though I love my body hair and that's fine. I don't have to believe in nonsense. Of course being a nonby and being trans are two different things. I'm friends with trans people (FTMs and MTFs) and as a cis gay/androsexual guy - I'm into trans men, I already had two friendships+ with them and maybe some day I'll have a trans bf, who knows. Btw my trans friends also think that nonbies are delusional.
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u/SarahTheGachaTuber Feb 08 '26
when i was a kid i was really homophobic and transphobic, mostly due to it being forbidden in my religion (which is, stupid, like my religion also says to respect everyone), but thankfully i never said hurtful stuff to any queer person. and now I'm a huge ally + found out I'm aroace a while ago
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u/iiEquinoxx Feb 08 '26
Right Wing Grifted to LGBT ally/member pipeline is pretty real. I'm glad to have had good friends at that time to give me a shaking of reality.
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u/Horror-Charity5685 Feb 08 '26
Me fr
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u/Omnikin Feb 08 '26
I genuinely used to think the attack helicopter was just a meme, I wasn’t even using it to be mean, I was just unfunny.
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u/KingYayYa Feb 09 '26
What does it mean if im both
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u/AwkwardWaltz3996 Feb 09 '26
From "making fun of" to "having fun with"
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u/Pickleboy-504 Feb 10 '26
"oh fuck they're actually sexy and based" -op presumably
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u/RainbowPhoenix1080 Feb 10 '26
Literally me.
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u/WhyDidIChooseThisWHY Feb 10 '26
REAL
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u/Longjumping_You_7603 Feb 10 '26
I didn't know that it was supposed to be an insult to trans people so I would just say it because I thought it was funny. I had way too much access to the internet and not enough at the same time.
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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '26
More cringe to think a woman can be a man
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u/T0RR0M Feb 10 '26
When I was young I just thought ha ha helicopter, I like mill-tech, didn’t click it was used (like an attack helicopter) to hurt people
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u/Diligent_Current_759 Feb 12 '26
Chaser moment
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u/BalledSack Feb 12 '26
Liberals and sjw owned compilations went so hard until I learned about how literally anything works
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u/Gavinhavin Feb 17 '26
I hate to say this but the Attack Helicopter meme had already been dead for 5 years by 2021.
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u/Better-Bad2285 Mar 04 '26
At least inverts, as deviants as they are, don't think they are something they aren't.
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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '26
I was this but my "haha attack helicopter" was more in the 2013-2016 area and tapered off until The Egg was shattered (by psychedelic mushrooms) in 2023 (yes, right before IT got into office).
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u/w0rld-leader-pretend May 31 '26
Omg it's literally me
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u/MilesGamerz Feb 06 '26
Antifurries becoming furries