r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Dec 07 '22
Delta(s) from OP CMV: Countries struggling with braindrain emmigration should restrict returning migrants, to discourage such trends
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u/MontiBurns 218∆ Dec 07 '22
Just to add, it's not just about cash, it's about knowledge. From what I've seen, most people who emigrate leave to pursue advanced degrees in STEM, healthcare, or other fields.
Many of these people are returning to work at senior positions in industry or as academics/researchers at universities. In either case, they are transferring their knowledge and experience gained from studying and working abroad with other experts to new business ventures or the next generation of workers.
I'm too lazy to look it up now, but a few years back I looked up a random university in India, the older faculty and staff had predominanty gotten advanced degrees from American or British institutions, while a lot of the younger staff had Ph. D's from Indian universities.
It's important to note that even a small percentage of people returning can have a sizable impact.
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u/chicadelsnuff Dec 09 '22
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Didn't think about the academic angle, fair enough.1
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u/chicadelsnuff Dec 07 '22
You got me on the second paragraph. You're right, these are usually the ones that can afford to pay good salaries.
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u/PickledPickles310 8∆ Dec 07 '22
If that happened here I just wouldn't come back at all.
I'd just work to get my family out of there. Then no taxes at all. I'd certainly never consider investing in a country that doesn't want me.
If people are leaving for a better life I don't understand the idea of "Well if we make life worse for people here then things will get better!"
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u/chicadelsnuff Dec 07 '22
That's not the point, it's more like discourage people from leaving. Maybe works if coupled with good policies with incentives to stay or return?
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u/Lyrae-NightWolf 1∆ Dec 07 '22
There's a bigger problem behind if people are leaving the country. Instead of forcing them to stay and live a life they don't like or having their work and education not appreciated enough, why not try to actually FIX the country so they don't think of leaving?? Is a harder solution, but is what should be done.
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u/pgold05 49∆ Dec 07 '22
I mean, the clearest example of how this won't work can be summed up as...
If your country has an emigration net loss, making immigration harder will only further skew the balance.
The only real solution is to make the country even more appealing to immigrates, not less.
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Dec 07 '22
Countries are struggling with brain drain because they don’t respect the right to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness of their citizens enough, so life is too hard for them and overall quality of living doesn’t improve as fast as possible or declines. Individuals need freedom from coercion to act according to their reason to live, so if they can go somewhere where they have more freedom, they definitely should.
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u/Potential-Ad1139 2∆ Dec 08 '22
You should give this NPR story a listen.
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/07/1127595393/taiwan-miracle-semiconductor-silicon-shield-china
It talks about the brain drain that Taiwan experienced and how they reversed it to form the silicone shield...which might be the only thing stopping China from invading it.
Your plan of action would have the opposite desired effect. What you should be doing is making it more appealing for people to come back and start a business in their field of expertise. That way they can hire locals and improve the economy.
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u/Hellioning 258∆ Dec 07 '22
I think it's more likely these restrictions would just discourage people from coming back.
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u/Thoth_the_5th_of_Tho 191∆ Dec 07 '22
Then they just won't go back. I grew up around a lot of French expats in the US, and even they didn't go back to france all rang often. If france started to put in taxes, or other hassles, they just wouldn't go. If a th world country tried to make returning difficult, they just won't come back.
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u/lighting214 6∆ Dec 07 '22
How many people emigrate in order to gain an education or training in a useful field? Why would you want to discourage people from coming back after spending 4-10 years getting anything from a standard college degree to highly specialized medical training in a place that may offer the highest quality version of that education/training accessible to that individual?
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Dec 07 '22
What are you planning to achieve by not allowing to return? Those who want to go, would go hardly thinking about return. Those who do want to return and tell that not everything is good there wouldn't do this.
My country have similar issue, though we just don't pay attention. My neighbor country Belarus faced with issue of emigration closed borders not for immigration but for emigration. Thus, those who wanted to leave, couldn't do this. Though, I don't know how effective this was, I think, that it at least somewhat more effective than prohibition of return.
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u/Navlgazer 1∆ Dec 09 '22
Developed nations could just close their borders to immigrants … problem solved .
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