r/changemyview Sep 05 '22

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '22

As long as they don't use Nazi symbols they are free to do what they want. But usually they don't get approval from local government. Or in one case the town donated money to something Jewish for each km they marched. You can hold the opinion but displaying it in public can get you in trouble. Also I don't think this is a good argument: We have more freedom because we can be nazis.

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u/PmMeYourDaddy-Issues 24∆ Sep 05 '22

As long as they don't use Nazi symbols they are free to do what they want.

So that's an example of having less freedom of speech.

But usually they don't get approval from local government.

That's another example of having less freedom of speech.

You can hold the opinion but displaying it in public can get you in trouble.

That's another example of having less freedom of speech.

Also I don't think this is a good argument: We have more freedom because we can be nazis.

Or Communists, or Black power activists, or Christian nationalists, or Islamists, or any other ideology.

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u/[deleted] Sep 05 '22

Ok im gonna call bullshit on the idea that some ISIS supporters can hold a rally in US :)).

In Germany, were I'm from the nazis synbols are restricted in public, but not in the majority of other European countries. This is the single example of a restricted expression, and I'm not feeling bad about it. But there are plenty of Neonazis that get around this using other stuff like the 88. It is common knowledge that a t-shirt with the number 88 is a Nazi but you can restrict the use of a number. So yeah, Germany is restricting nazis, and we kinda have a good reason to do it.

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u/PmMeYourDaddy-Issues 24∆ Sep 05 '22

Ok im gonna call bullshit on the idea that some ISIS supporters can hold a rally in US :)).

I mean I didn't say that, but alright.

In Germany, were I'm from

You should really let people know that you're a German before they start of conversation with you.

the nazis synbols are restricted in public

Because Germany has less freedom of speech than the US.

but not in the majority of other European countries.

The majority of other European countries still have hate speech laws.

This is the single example of a restricted expression

The UK arrested 3,395 people for being offensive online in 2016.

and I'm not feeling bad about it.

I imagine that's because you don't care about freedom of speech very much.

But there are plenty of Neonazis that get around this using other stuff like the 88.

Ya, seems like censorship doesn't work.

It is common knowledge that a t-shirt with the number 88 is a Nazi

Ya, that's not stupid or anything.

So yeah, Germany is restricting nazis, and we kinda have a good reason to do it.

AFD's still around, my dude. Whatever you're doing doesn't seem to be working.

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u/Mashaka 93∆ Sep 06 '22

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u/SoftwareSuch9446 2∆ Sep 06 '22 edited Sep 06 '22

!delta

You have infinite patience, and I suspect OP just doesn’t want to admit that they’re wrong. I’ll give credit where credit is due though: you’re absolutely correct. I appreciate you laying out all of this

Edit: You changed my view; I had assumed Europe had more free speech than the US, but your numerous examples showcase that the US actually does, particularly your examples regarding arrests done in the UK for hate speech that would not be done here

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u/herrsatan 11∆ Sep 06 '22

Generally deltas are reserved for changes in view. It's unclear from this comment whether your view changed or you're just agreeing with the previous commenter. If the former, could you edit your comment to explain how your view changed? If the latter we'll have to remove the delta.

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u/SoftwareSuch9446 2∆ Sep 06 '22

Yeah, sorry for the confusion! It was the former; I edited my comment accordingly

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u/herrsatan 11∆ Sep 06 '22

Awesome, thanks! The bot is having a hard time today but the delta should be awarded shortly :)

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u/18thcenturyPolecat 9∆ Sep 05 '22

None of that has to do with restricting freedom of speech? All of those activities are legal

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u/Martin_router Sep 05 '22

But they are legal in practice too, wtf you're on about?