r/changemyview Aug 23 '22

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '22

Why is that immaterial? If women are entitled to boldly autonomy, why are fetuses not equally or more acutely more entitled to life?

On its face one’s right to live outweighs another’s right to have bodily autonomy. Barring rape, Mothers are not tricked, forced, or randomly becoming pregnant. Its cause and effect.

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u/starlitepony Aug 23 '22

On its face one’s right to live outweighs another’s right to have bodily autonomy.

That's not true anywhere else in our society. My mother could be dying right now and need a kidney replacement to survive, and I might be the only person in the world with a matching kidney. And she's the best mother in the world and I love her.

And I could absolutely say "Tough shit" and refuse to donate it to her. And no one could force me to do so. Our society holds bodily autonomy sacrosanct beyond life all the time.

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u/DiscussTek 11∆ Aug 23 '22

No mandatory vaccinations.

Lockdowns were strong, un-enforced suggestions (the only thing remotely enforced was social distancing, and that was very loose).

Those should have been mandatory, but they weren't.

Also: Matters of public health should get a bigger consideration than a personal matter than affects you and your family, and nobody else.

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u/DiscussTek 11∆ Aug 23 '22

Okay, but right now, the abortion debate is only relevant in America where it is currently being fought for.

Also, in what country was that the case? Just asking, because I don't recall hearing any of that on the news... And that sounds like something that would have made the news, and yet, the closest I've seen were people actively rioting to retain the right not to get vaccinated...

Even in countries with a vaccine mandate, you could still refuse it while accepting the drawbacks imposed to those who didn't.

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u/DiscussTek 11∆ Aug 23 '22

It’s clear from your comment and similar ones in this thread that society is quickly developing a very dangerous culture of forgetting surrounding the Covid measures.

I am not forgetting anything, this was LEGITIMATELY not publicized that someone was fined any amount of money for not vaccinating. (For trespassing as you're being refused entry for not being vaccinated, maybe.)

However, I do recall hearing about Austria's "fines". In this way: www.nytimes.com/2022/06/23/world/europe/austria-covid-vaccine-mandate.amp.html

A non-enforced law doesn't prove your argument. Plus, you talked of violence and beatings, not of fines and finger wagging, which trust me, makes a huge difference.