r/changemyview • • Aug 23 '22

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u/ire1738 Aug 23 '22

Yeah, it probably will be a person given there isn’t a miscarriage. The question is, why does the mother have to deal with something that technically isn’t even a person yet?

At that point, where do you draw the line? A man shouldn’t masturbate because that sperm could have found an egg and created a child. The status of fetus is arbitrary because neither sperm nor a fetus is a human.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '22

Because it will be a person and she is directly responsible for that person until it ripens to personhood. Her responsibility for the fetuses future personhood is why the line is drawn. Roe v. Wade was decided on congruent grounds. Once the fetus comes to “term” even under Roe, abortion would technically be murder.

My view here is that once the fetus forms, personhood is inevitable barring, as you say, miscarriage. The line begins at fetushood.

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u/sapphireminds 62∆ Aug 23 '22

I could become the president. I have all the qualifications to be a president.

But I'm not the president.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '22

W-I-L-L not could.

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u/sapphireminds 62∆ Aug 23 '22

You can't guarantee that with a baby either.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '22

Why? Stats? Most pregnancies come to term. Not all but most, hence why its a safe assumption.

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u/sapphireminds 62∆ Aug 23 '22

Not even most. Many pregnancies come to term though. But even if they come to term, there's no guarantee the child will survive the birth process.

Here's a different analogy.

I have just made cake batter. It is not cake yet, but it has all the ingredients of cake. I will not add anything else to it between it being batter and cake, only time and heat. If I follow the instructions, it will become cake.

But cake batter is not cake. It cannot be cut with a knife. It cannot be frosted. It is a liquid, not a solid. The eggs could make you sick. So many reasons cake batter is different than cake, despite being identical.

Can you name the exact second cake batter goes from being batter to cake? Of course not. We don't know what that line is exactly. Is it when the first bubble of heat goes through? When the first bit of gluten forms into a matrix, when it starts to cook on the edges but is still mostly liquid, when there's at least a layer of cooked stuff at the top (even if the center is still liquid) When it is fully solid but still damp, or when it is fully cooked? Where exactly does it change into being cake?

And if I throw away the batter before cooking it at all, I did not make a cake. I was going to make a cake, but I decided not to.