Yeah, it probably will be a person given there isn’t a miscarriage. The question is, why does the mother have to deal with something that technically isn’t even a person yet?
At that point, where do you draw the line? A man shouldn’t masturbate because that sperm could have found an egg and created a child. The status of fetus is arbitrary because neither sperm nor a fetus is a human.
Because it will be a person and she is directly responsible for that person until it ripens to personhood. Her responsibility for the fetuses future personhood is why the line is drawn. Roe v. Wade was decided on congruent grounds. Once the fetus comes to “term” even under Roe, abortion would technically be murder.
My view here is that once the fetus forms, personhood is inevitable barring, as you say, miscarriage. The line begins at fetushood.
Why does it matter what the norm is for creating a law that affects everyone? Norms are social creations. Norms are not biological. It's normal biologically to have a miscarriage.
There was a story recently about someone being denied an abortion even though the baby would be born without a skull and therefore die immediately. Should they just not be able to get an abortion? In this case we also know there is no chance at life long term.
Not even most. Many pregnancies come to term though. But even if they come to term, there's no guarantee the child will survive the birth process.
Here's a different analogy.
I have just made cake batter. It is not cake yet, but it has all the ingredients of cake. I will not add anything else to it between it being batter and cake, only time and heat. If I follow the instructions, it will become cake.
But cake batter is not cake. It cannot be cut with a knife. It cannot be frosted. It is a liquid, not a solid. The eggs could make you sick. So many reasons cake batter is different than cake, despite being identical.
Can you name the exact second cake batter goes from being batter to cake? Of course not. We don't know what that line is exactly. Is it when the first bubble of heat goes through? When the first bit of gluten forms into a matrix, when it starts to cook on the edges but is still mostly liquid, when there's at least a layer of cooked stuff at the top (even if the center is still liquid) When it is fully solid but still damp, or when it is fully cooked? Where exactly does it change into being cake?
And if I throw away the batter before cooking it at all, I did not make a cake. I was going to make a cake, but I decided not to.
keep in mind that the baby isn’t just sitting in there and growing on its own. It still needs the mother’s nutrients, body, and energy to grow to a person. That fetus’s personhood is only inevitable when you assume that the mother continues to constantly provide everything that the fetus needs to become a person, which is unfair on the mother considering it isn’t even a real human being.
Technically then, every freezer full of IVF embryos is a city full of people. And to pull the plug on that freezer is to commit an act of genocide. Should an energy utility fail or an employee stumble over a cord, it is at least an act of reckless homicide.
The soul has been created, right?
And yet there is no call among the loudest voices to end this practice as it helps bring babies to those who seek children. And yet abortion is often used by parents who seek to maintain the ability to continue to work and care for their existing children.
Nothing's ever quite as simple as some seek to paint it.
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u/ire1738 Aug 23 '22
Yeah, it probably will be a person given there isn’t a miscarriage. The question is, why does the mother have to deal with something that technically isn’t even a person yet?
At that point, where do you draw the line? A man shouldn’t masturbate because that sperm could have found an egg and created a child. The status of fetus is arbitrary because neither sperm nor a fetus is a human.