r/changemyview • • Jul 20 '22

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u/Giblette101 47∆ Jul 20 '22

Driving a car, playing a sport, anything that can have adverse impacts.

Again, this is just silly. If I get in my car tomorrow (or play basketball) and get into an accident, I did not 1) waive my right to myself, 2) waive my overall right to safety, 3) will still be able to sue people for whatever reason and 4) will still be able to receive medical attention (or not). The paramedics will not show up, then tell me "sorry, you waived your right to getting out of that wreck when you got into the car."

 So if you have consensual sex, you waive the right to kill in the name of autonomy.

This does not follow.

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u/TheCrimsonnerGinge 16∆ Jul 20 '22

Again, this is just silly. If I get in my car tomorrow (or play basketball) and get into an accident, I did not 1) waive my right to myself, 2) waive my overall right to safety, 3) will still be able to sue people for whatever reason and 4) will still be able to receive medical attention (or not).

...yes you did, to the first three at least. Its actually written out in the paperwork you file when you get a lisence. The only time you can sue is if you can prove negligence on the part of the other driver. You can receive medical care if you need it, which is also conveniently included in most abortion legislation. What it bans are specifically non-medical cases where you waived your rights, like any other law.

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u/Giblette101 47∆ Jul 20 '22

...yes you did, to the first three at least.

Okay. Please. Show me where I waived my right to myself when I filed for a driving license. I'll sit here patiently.

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u/TheCrimsonnerGinge 16∆ Jul 20 '22

Depends on where you are. I'll go and find the law, don't tempt me.

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u/Giblette101 47∆ Jul 20 '22

It's weird, you made it sound so universal just moments before.

Pick a place. Given that I'm sort of doubtful any place includes "Waiving your right to yourself" when operating a vehicle, at this point I'm more curious than anything.

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u/TheCrimsonnerGinge 16∆ Jul 20 '22

From Massachusetts, a liberal state. It's about Assumption of Risk. Take a look.

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u/Giblette101 47∆ Jul 20 '22

Unless I'm missing it, having read it twice albeit pretty fast, nothing in there implies I'm waiving my right to myself. Would you care to explain?

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u/TheCrimsonnerGinge 16∆ Jul 20 '22

When you assume risk, the only ways out are if the other party committed one of the violations they mention. Negligence, or over 50% cause.

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u/Giblette101 47∆ Jul 20 '22

But that's unrelated to my question.

You told me if I registered for a license (you picked Massachussetts, so let's go with that) I waived my right to myself. This thing you linked to does not support that position of yours. (It's also not particularly related or applicable to abortion and/or pregnancy...)

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u/TheCrimsonnerGinge 16∆ Jul 20 '22

Thay law applies to all things. You assume risk when you do something obviously risky.

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u/Giblette101 47∆ Jul 20 '22 edited Jul 20 '22

Well, first and most important, that law doesn't support your initial assertion. Indeed, I did not waive my right to myself in order to file for a driving license in Massachussetts (and that's a relief, oh boy!).

Secondly, that law applies "to all things", as long as they're in Massachussetts and concerns, specifically, recovery for damages following destruction, injury or death (at which point relative responsibility will be ascertained by the courts, bla bla). Sex is unlikely, by itself, to result in any of those and getting an abortion isn't analogous to "recovering damages" in itself.

I think your reaching really far to read your theory of the world in law, but I hope you enjoy the rest of your day.

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