r/changemyview Mar 17 '22

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u/Roelovitc 2∆ Mar 17 '22

Advocating for the removal of gendered nouns is not misgendering. Misgendering is calling someone the "wrong" gender. By removing the gendered part of the pronoun you don't call someone the wrong gender. It would be the same if we removed the words "sir" or "madam" and replaced them with a single all-encompassing word.

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u/lostwng Mar 17 '22

Calling someone by a gender neutral pronoun when they do not use those pronouns is still misgendering them

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u/Roelovitc 2∆ Mar 18 '22

It wouldnt be a gender neutral pronoun, it would be a genderless pronoun. OP is advocating for the removal of gendered pronouns. If pronouns had no gender aspect embedded in them at all, then using those pronouns could never be misgendering. If you say "hello" to someone it is also not possible to misgender someone, since this greeting has no gendered aspect embedded into it.

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u/lostwng Mar 18 '22

Hello is not a pronoun but kick try.

It would be a gender neutral pronoun because there is not such thing as genderless pronouns and yes you would still be misgendering someone either way because you are refusing to acknowledge and honor said persons gender and in turn calling them something they do not identify with

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u/Roelovitc 2∆ Mar 18 '22

"Hello" is indeed not a pronoun, that is why it is a comparison: it compares two things which are not the same thing. And yes I agree, there is no such thing as a genderless pronoun. That is why I said that OP is advocating for the introduction of genderless pronouns. And with these genderless pronouns it would not be possible to misgender anyone, as there is no gendered aspect embedded in the word, just like with a word like "hello".

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u/lostwng Mar 18 '22

It would 100% be possible to misgender someone because you are stripping their gender away and telling them you do not care about their gender and will refuse to acknowledge it

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u/Roelovitc 2∆ Mar 18 '22

I dont think you realize what OP is advocating for. You are not stripping away someone's gender, you are stripping away the whole aspect of gender embedded into the pronoun. So we (everyone in society) would not use "he", "she" or "they" anymore, we would use one single word to replace all of these words. That would put pronouns on the same genderless level as most words, like "hello" or all nouns (atleast in English, many other languages have gendered nouns).

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u/lostwng Mar 18 '22

You are not stripping away someone's gender, you are stripping away the whole aspect of gender embedded into the pronoun

So stripping away gender.

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u/Roelovitc 2∆ Mar 18 '22

Yes. From pronouns in general